Quote Originally Posted by MrBrightside View Post
The reason I wanted to know the EV was actually to know if surrenderEV (-50%) was better than the best EV decision (could still be negative EV therefore) from the chart. So you were ahead of me there.
TBH my neural blood flow is not existent, because I cant make sense of your chart. The only thing I can think of is that you mean pulling out totally is that you receive your complete bet (and these are the positive EV situations)? Is this even a rule somewhere?
I can’t actually decipher your question as you’re responding to an aceside undecipherable response. However,
1. Yes, your best EV decision may well result in a long term loss for that hand composition
2. The mathematics of surrender are simple enough. If you win =< than 1 in 4 hands, then surrender is warranted

Example for breakeven on hands where surrender is warranted
100 $5 bets, total of $500 at risk.
Win 25 hands, lose 75 hands, or win $125 lose $375 for overall loss of $250
Surrender 100 hands, forfeit half your bet or lose $250.