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    And now I feel like the bully all over again. I accomplished very little today because of this thread. About 2.5 hours of blackjack play which was a pretty horrible 82 rounds and less than $100 EV and even worse in real profit (negative), so THANKS for this thread Moo-man. I am going to find something else to do for the rest of the evening (at least).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    And now I feel like the bully all over again. I accomplished very little today because of this thread. About 2.5 hours of blackjack play which was a pretty horrible 82 rounds and less than $100 EV and even worse in real profit (negative), so THANKS for this thread Moo-man. I am going to find something else to do for the rest of the evening (at least).
    If you used the right count, you could be rich and retired with 2.5 hours of play, and have all the time in the world to post how smart you are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Heads up, ASM, how many hands per hour playing with a fast dealer?. Can u keep up with the extrapolation with a lightning fast dealer.
    It used to be that I hit dealers that were too fast for me but for about a year now I can keep up with the fastest dealers I encounter. I had one ry to go to fast for me and he finally had to cry uncle as he kept speeding things up until he couldn't keep the cards on the table. After the third time in the same shoe he needed the floor to pick up a card from the floor the floor told him to slow it down enough to keep the cards on the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    It used to be that I hit dealers that were to fast for me but for about a year now I can keep up with the fastest dealers I encounter. I had one ry to go to fast for me and he finally had to cry uncle as he kept speeding things up until he couldn't keep the cards on the table. After the third time in the same shoe he needed the floor to pick up a card from the floor the floor told him to slow it down enough to keep the cards on the table.
    I truly feel sorry for you Tthree.
    It must be frustrating for you to see that despite your continuous attempts to make yourself look like a blackjack god everybody here still sees you as a joke.
    You cant block the sun with your hand my friend.
    You can keep posting about how smart you are or how the owners of casinos get together once a year to figure out ways to.protect themselves against your insane skills, but unfortunately for you your credibility has taken a big hit and the only ones you are going to impress with your senseless babbling are the newcomers who dont know better.
    For the rest of us you are nothing but a joke and I would be very surprised to see any of the old time members taking you seriously in matters other than some very specific mathematical analysis (something in which you clearly excel at).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I, personally don't mind if you are smart and I guess you are. I figure every single person on the site is smarter than me, so I am use to and completely ok with that. But I think what is evident from this thread is that I am not alone in being tired of you constantly telling us how smart you are, as if you have some sort of track record of great success to back up all these words of expertise, when it doesn't appear that you do
    KJ if someone asked you what limits you play at the size of your bets and all kinds of other info that can be used to ID you in a casino, do you think it is wise to answer. I bet right to the tolerance choke point in my area. I now make as much as you while betting at this level. Maybe more. You give a $80K/year figure playing full time. I made almost half that in my last 3 weekends although they were spread out a bit. I have been very busy liquidating a large business this year. After that I will have more time to play. The thing is how much do I really need to expose myself to get what I need. I upped my max bet earlier this year and doubt I ever will again. That will just invite BO's. Once I have liquidated the company fully my sole source of income will be my AP play.

    Ny the way you are the one that says you aren't that smart. I think you aren't that learned but you are very intelligent and have more of common sense or street smarts kind of intelligence. You would be amazed how many genius types have little common sense. You have done whether through luck or skill (my bet is on the latter) what few have been able to do before you. If you believe I think you are the dullest knife in this drawer you are way off. There are few people I have asked for help in my current transition and you know I have contacted you several times even though you have chosen to not give much back. What do you think that says of my opinion of you? As you know my inquiries were not about counts but about other issues. If you don't want to help me learn that is fine. I will either learn from my own mistakes or from the help of others. One AP has shown more interest in helping me than others. You are the only one that I made repeated attempts to get help from. Just because we disagree on some things doesn't mean I don't respect you and think highly of you.

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    Oh the atrocity, I was JUST about to pull out my linear algebra, matrix modeling, and advanced calculus textbooks in order to devise my own super level MH count- note it goes beyond even numbers.

    You shattered my hopes and dreams BJarg, I'll reluctantly go back and settle for my pitiful $500EV/hr with my pathetic hi lo. I feel badly for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhoudini View Post
    Oh the atrocity, I was JUST about to pull out my linear algebra, matrix modeling, and advanced calculus textbooks in order to devise my own super level MH count- note it goes beyond even numbers.

    You shattered my hopes and dreams BJarg, I'll reluctantly go back and settle for my pitiful $500EV/hr with my pathetic hi lo. I feel badly for myself.
    Hilo????
    Are you nuts???
    Using a counting system that will allow you to blend in and have a good act as a gambler, that will allow you to incorprate advanced techniques, that will allow you to play for long periods of time without risking fatigue or errors, that will allow you to simultanously count more than one table...
    That's preposterous.
    You should feel badly about yourself...

    By the way M... how many minutes (or seconds) do you think T3 could hold a conversation with both PB and dealer in a HL room.playing heads up while using his level 100 count?
    I personally think that a cocktail waitress asking him what he wants to drink would be enough to make his head explode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhoudini View Post
    Oh the atrocity, I was JUST about to pull out my linear algebra, matrix modeling, and advanced calculus textbooks in order to devise my own super level MH count- note it goes beyond even numbers.

    You shattered my hopes and dreams BJarg, I'll reluctantly go back and settle for my pitiful $500EV/hr with my pathetic hi lo. I feel badly for myself.
    How can your MH count be any good without Fourier analysis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    I truly feel sorry for you Tthree.
    It must be frustrating for you to see that despite your continuous attempts to make yourself look like a blackjack god everybody here still sees you as a joke.
    You cant block the sun with your hand my friend.
    You can keep posting about how smart you are or how the owners of casinos get together once a year to figure out ways to.protect themselves against your insane skills, but unfortunately for you your credibility has taken a big hit and the only ones you are going to impress with your senseless babbling are the newcomers who dont know better.
    For the rest of us you are nothing but a joke and I would be very surprised to see any of the old time members taking you seriously in matters other than some very specific mathematical analysis (something in which you clearly excel at).
    think what you want but it is all true. I am rather surprised you are one of the ones that can't understand it especially with that last explanation. It doesn't matter you don't have to understand it any more than I need your endorsement. I give up. I was asked about "my mysterious system" along with a bunch of stuff nobody should post on this board and what I did was explain how my system works the best that I can and left out what nobody should post about. Well my system shouldn't be called mysterious anymore. What makes it insanely more powerful is many things but the most important is what I explained. A few other things just add some to that.

    I am sorry if I come off condescending. I think that term sums up the feeling I am getting back. But you guys spend so much time on this count debate rather than thinking outside the box to come up with something better. Someone came up with shuffle tracking when nobody else thought of it. They no doubt tried to refine it as much as possible and even tried to collaborate to get even further. The same is true for any leap forward that returns multiples of EV. I am sure people didn't understand that and thought he was crazy too. I'd be willing to bet many among this site understood my explanation enough to see the potential. I was surprised just how much it made a difference in both the ride and the return and I did understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    think what you want but it is all true. I am rather surprised you are one of the ones that can't understand it especially with that last explanation. It doesn't matter you don't have to understand it any more than I need your endorsement. I give up. I was asked about "my mysterious system" along with a bunch of stuff nobody should post on this board and what I did was explain how my system works the best that I can and left out what nobody should post about. Well my system shouldn't be called mysterious anymore. What makes it insanely more powerful is many things but the most important is what I explained. A few other things just add some to that.

    I am sorry if I come off condescending. I think that term sums up the feeling I am getting back. But you guys spend so much time on this count debate rather than thinking outside the box to come up with something better. Someone came up with shuffle tracking when nobody else thought of it. They no doubt tried to refine it as much as possible and even tried to collaborate to get even further. The same is true for any leap forward that returns multiples of EV. I am sure people didn't understand that and thought he was crazy too. I'd be willing to bet many among this site understood my explanation enough to see the potential. I was surprised just how much it made a difference in both the ride and the return and I did understand it.
    All your explanations do is prove to us that you are a lab rat that spends a lot of time with simulations and math formulas, but very little time inside casinos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    By the way M... how many minutes (or seconds) do you think T3 could hold a conversation with both PB and dealer in a HL room.playing heads up while using his level 100 count?
    I personally think that a cocktail waitress asking him what he wants to drink would be enough to make his head explode.
    That's a good one. LOL

    It was like that for a while but now I can do all that just fine. What you don't get is enough reputation makes anything you can do easy. You just have to stick to it. I am sure you do things I would find very difficult without enough practice and would say the same things about.

    The funny thing is I remember KJ talking about counting down 3 tables at once. He said he missed cards but it didn't matter. I knew what he meant. He was trading up when it came to what his situation was so missing a card was a reasonable sacrifice. But truth be told he was saying he was fine with some errors because his EV went up. I am not fine with errors and I think I pretty well avoid them now. But to not understand applying the same principle to a huge gain is basically hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    All your explanations do is prove to us that you are a lab rat that spends a lot of time with simulations and math formulas, but very little time inside casinos.
    That couldn't be further from the truth. I try to make a couple thousand from each casino in my rotation each cycle I visit. Is it my fault it doesn't take much play. I learned that from going to the casino with Tarzan. He would make his win tolerance goal so fast it would make your head spin. I remember him doing it before I picked a table on our first visit together. It made sense. Why expose yourself excessively to get what you can quite quickly with little exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    That's a good one. LOL

    It was like that for a while but now I can do all that just fine. What you don't get is enough reputation makes anything you can do easy. You just have to stick to it. I am sure you do things I would find very difficult without enough practice and would say the same things about.

    The funny thing is I remember KJ talking about counting down 3 tables at once. He said he missed cards but it didn't matter. I knew what he meant. He was trading up when it came to what his situation was so missing a card was a reasonable sacrifice. But truth be told he was saying he was fine with some errors because his EV went up. I am not fine with errors and I think I pretty well avoid them now. But to not understand applying the same principle to a huge gain is basically hypocrisy.
    Lets make a bet Tthree.
    Im tired of you and I want to see you put your money where your mouth is.
    You say you have won 40k in the last three weekends (Im still laughing by the way).
    I will pay you that same amount if you play with me in a 100 min table for 8 hours and you do so perfectly during that entire time.
    If you fail you will pay me 40k and I will proceed to raffle it among the members from this board.
    I AM DEAD SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
    What do you say?

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