I would stay away from the H17 Spanish 21 game. It is very inferior to S17. In PA the casinos by law must stand on soft 17 for blackjack and Spanish 21.Originally Posted by Freightman
OP has suggested his general locale area in the past. If I’m correct, he will play west coast. S17 is not played on the west coast. It’s still beatable though, but variance is higher in the h17 version.
To OP, forgot to mention, your edge is slightly reduced if your 3rd double is limited by table max, which is a consideration of west coast games. So, you should consider that when choosing your min bet. I don’t think that is in Katarinas book.
BJAnalyst said
“ Also if you use Katarina Walker's Hi Low it is unbalanced with a pivot at a true count of four (since the 10's are removed) similar to the KO in blackjack being unbalanced with a pivot of a true count of 4 so my Table of Critical Running Counts (TCRC) for KO can be used for Spanish 21 HL also.
So my only comments on Spanish 21 are
1. Stay away from H17 games. Play only S17 games.
2. Read Katarina's Spanish 21 book and use Katarina's HL for Spanish 21.
3. Use six and eight deck TCRC (Table of Critical Running Counts) for KO for Spanish 21 HL.”
Freightman suggests that
Rather than investing tons of time on a game you don’t know and will seldom play, use hi lo, starting with -24 On the 6 deck game. Break even is about -3 as I recall, and your max bet is out at about true 0. If you get positive counts, blast away.
Whereas blackjack has a rule of thumb Of .5 increase in edge per true count, you can hike that to .7 at Spanish. I haven’t played in years and I’ve forgotten a lot. Again, if you’re going to play this game - it’s fun but it’s dangerous - it has high variance - strategy is entirely different than BJ - you’ll get hammered if you use BJ strategy for Spanish.
One last point. If you go to Pennsylvania, play their great BJ games you know, rather than the great Spanish game you don’t.
I live in PA so these games are literally around the corner from me. On casino is one mile from where I live and two more are less than 20 miles form where I live and another casino is scheduled to be opened in the city I live in. Both the Spanish 21 and blackjack games are great.
But I do play blackjack and not that much Spanish 21. I explained the game I play is five decks, six decks dealt, S17, DAS, LS, Super 4 and Lucky Lades (full payout - not the cheapo LL payout).
I use KO with AA89mTc and 5m9c which besides being great for blackjack, is also great for Lucky Ladies' where I use the Tc = Ten count = KO + AA89mTc for the LL bet and for Super 4 I use S4c = Super 4 count = KO - (AA89mTc + 5m9c). And I am absolutely not going to go into any more details on the LL, Super 4 or blackjack bets using my count system because I am sick and tired of being insulted. So no more detailed free advice that is correct by the way because of a select few rude, obnoxious readers.
A comment on the Spanish 21 where I live, It is S17 so lower variance than your H17 redoubling game which may have the same edge as S17. I prefer the S17 with less variance .
Also the betting running count (brc) for S17 has a larger variance than the brc for H17 so S17 brc will uncover more favorable opportunities.
You need to add a side count to the HL for improve HL betting for both S17 and H17 betting since for Spanish 21 HL has a low betting efficiency as I described earlier. But I am not about to list the brc to use because again, I refuse to submit myself to personal attacks. If I do not list my system, I cannot be attacked. Therefore I will not include any details, just generalities, in my comments.
Starting at -24 for the six deck game and counting with negative numbers is way to much work and negative numbers are more difficult to count than positive. And while it is correct that at zero you should have your max bet out that is because you have a Spanish 21 HL true count of four. Finally you do not mention how to get true count for other HL running counts. You have no true count conversion in your system.
I am not going into details on the TCRC. But with the TCRC you start your HL at zero and so you are most of the time dealing with just positive HL running counts and the TCRC lets you see what the true count is for all HL counts with no calculations - just a quick mental table look in the TCRC. And just remember to add 4 to Katerina Walker's indices.
Last edited by bjanalyst; 09-23-2020 at 07:24 AM.
BJAnalyst said
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Starting at -24 for the six deck game and counting with negative numbers is way to much work and negative numbers are more difficult to count than positive. And while it is correct that at zero you should have your max bet out that is because you have a Spanish 21 HL true count of four. Finally you do not mention how to get true count for other HL running counts. You have no true count conversion in your system.”
Why is it difficult from -24, I find it easy peasy. And to clarify, I myself used Halves as in why should I Deviate from what is an automatic count for me. What you mean no true count conversion Kimosabe! FBM ASC - for feel good play.
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