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  1. #1
    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Uh Oh!!!

    If you go to the Golden Touch Blackjack site (http://www.goldentouchblackjack.com/) you will see the GTB ad. But, look at the webpage title in the Windows blue bar. The title of the page is Golden Touch Craps.

  2. #2
    Dan Pronovost
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    Dan Pronovost: Re: Uh Oh!!!

    > If you go to the Golden Touch Blackjack site
    > (http://www.goldentouchblackjack.com/) you
    > will see the GTB ad. But, look at the
    > webpage title in the Windows blue bar. The
    > title of the page is Golden Touch Craps .

    The craps and blackjack courses are completely separate... there is no overlap. The title is a web goof, which I'll bring to the GTB folks' attention.

    The GT Blackjack Course is marketed and promoted by the same folks doing the GT craps... they are very good at organizing and promoting seminars. Is there a problem with this Norm? Something I'm not aware of?

    Dan

  3. #3
    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Uh Oh!!!

    > The GT Blackjack Course is marketed and
    > promoted by the same folks doing the GT
    > craps... they are very good at organizing
    > and promoting seminars. Is there a problem
    > with this Norm? Something I'm not aware of?

    Well, I can't comment on the strategy as I'm not allowed to see it. So, I can only go by the ad. It says "so simple it only takes a few hours to master, yet yields 70 to 95 percent of the positive edge of professional systems"

    Not just learn, but "master" a strategy in a few hours. I'm sorry my friend, but that is dangerous bull.

  4. #4
    Jim Dice
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    Jim Dice: Re: Uh Oh!!!

    Obviously, Golden Touch Blackjack and Golden Touch Craps are both being done with Frank Scoblete, and Dom LoRiggio, who run the Golden Touch franchise -- if that's the right word. I took the Golden Touch Craps course last March in Tunica and it was excellent. I wrote about these experiences on the BJ21 Board in a discussion of controlled shooting.

    I believe that some other famous writers such as Jean Scott, Don Catlin, and John Grochouski have also taken the craps course or have played with Frank and company extensively in the casinos.

    I think for the average player, the GTB course will give them a big boost into the advantage area. As I said in a previous post, if a player has been successful with other counts and is a real advantage player as the people on this board seem to be then I don't think it would be wise to change. But if they have come up with something simpler that gives that 75% to 95% of the High Low return, it will be a very good thing for them to take this course.

  5. #5
    Radar
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    Radar: Not Getting any of My $$$

    > I think for the average player, the GTB
    > course will give them a big boost into the
    > advantage area.

    If we DON'T know anything about the system, how can you assume that?

    I am a Newbie at counting. I have played BJ for many years, but not at an advantage level until recently. This system does not say anything about it other than it is 70%-90% as effective as other professional systems. To me, this doesn't sound very good. Who wants only a 70% advantage? We don't know whether it is a balanced or non-balanced system, etc. And where are the numbers to substantiate this claim. I, for one, don't want to put out $700 and don't even know whether the system has merit. Just because you feel the craps seminar was worth it, doesn't necessarily mean the same for the BJ seminar.

    My thoughts are these. I use KO because it, too, doesn't use a TC conversion. It gets a lot BETTER than 70%-90%, as well. I learned strictly from the book and from others giving me advise on the boards...Now, I understand people want an easy way out and they think they can attend a 2 day course and be a counter...think again...it is not that easy. And IF they are gonna have to practice, memorize, and practice some more, why spend $700 to do what they can do for $14.95 (cost of the book)...PLUS, you know that KO and other count books have a track record and have the numbers to back them up...

    Now, I am not discounting this system. Since we know nothing about it, I can't comment and when we do finally get to see it, Don and other professional people will run the numbers to substantiate the claims. What I am saying is that I would want a lot of information on the system that the seminar is teaching before I put out my money, for sure.

    Just my two-cents worth and since I am not an experienced counter, may NOT be worth a penny...still, they're mine!


  6. #6
    Garry Baldy
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    Garry Baldy: Re: Uh Oh!!!

    First, I personally don't like ads sayng something like this: "If you could, with very little effort in just two days with relatively low expense, get a valid, verifiable mathematical edge over the game would you be interested?"

    Sure, the system maybe good and valid but such wording makes me sarcastic, to speak at least. I wouldn't go into details but this sentense looks like nonsense to me.

    Second, I somehow strongly suspect that this SPEED count will looks just like QWIK count (aka Instant count) coined some time ago at bjmath.com. Maybe with some true-edging. This is good count indeed for the novices.

    Anyway I think it's too expensive to charge $700 for 2 days.

    Luck.

    Garry Baldy.

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