Those citations are not fair to poor people who don't get money to buy facemasks. The enforcement will provoke poor people to do "peaceful protests". As a result, more covid19 cases will pop up skyhigh.Originally Posted by Blackjack Newbie
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" by Henry G. Bohn
Exactly! For anyone who wants a quick tip on an effective way, our own (in the US) Surgeon General gave a 45-second tutorial. If you know anyone who doesn't have access to masks otherwise, definitely send this their way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WSpViXXEfA
Norm, you are great with numbers...........obviously given your fantastic programs. But statistics can be used for anything and can be very misleading. I understand the variety of viewpoints on this board BUT REALLY? 65 Million
Not that we know exactly how accurate their number is, but it's quoted as one of the best sources: John Hopkins Univ case reporting--https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
They reflect currently 2.4 Million which is a much, much smaller percentage and absolute number than you are stating. And that's cases; that doesn't reflect recovery. I just think numbers should be taken in context. Something like 7700+ people die per day in the U.S. as a daily death rate from EVERY CAUSE. Not just Covid-19. So I just think you, of all people, would put the numbers in perspective so people can look at the real picture. And compare them to each other. 124,000 deaths are a tragedy. No matter what the reason. But that number should be compared to total deaths to give an accurate picture. As a lot of folks say on here, just do the math.
This is not a political statement. I'm not saying you should not be alarmed. Covid is real, contagious and has affected everyone's life. And everyone is entitled to protect themselves in the best way they see fit.
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
I didn’t say deaths. Nor did I say this many people would contract the disease. The question was how many are at risk of serious illness as some think it’s just very ill and/or elderly. The fact is that far more people are at serious risk, including those with kidney disease, asthma, obesity, compromised immune systems, those on corticosteroids, heart problems, sickle cell disease, diabetes, hypertension, smokers, liver disease, lung disease. There are 49 million Americans 65 or older alone. The numbers add up quickly.
Frankly, saying that a lot of people die anyway says little about “perspective”. By that logic, the 58,000 Americans who died in the ten-year Vietnam War (5,800 per year) is a tiny number.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
Where in the WORLD did you get that I said "a lot of people die anyway"? That's pretty loose paraphrasing. I agree the situation is serious. But you were the one that used the number 65 Million. I'm just saying that adult, rational, thinking people NEED to review the entire numbers REALISTICALLY. And compare them to each other to weigh the risks. This is a balancing act and there is no simple answer. But neither shutting down the entire country (except for "essential" work) nor wide open, socializing, like before the "pandemic", solves the current situation or is the right solution. It's really what we learned in law school in basic torts class.............you have to balance risks v outcomes. There are just no absolute protections in our society from all risks. Chicken Little screaming, 'the sky is falling' nor total denial that the virus exists or is a conspiracy serve our society's purpose.
And nowhere did I "trivialize" the deaths from the Vietnam war. That's really illogical analogizing, in my opinion.
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
A study in the Lancet medical journal came up with one out of five at serious risk (about 1.7 billion humans globally) not me. Shutting down Europe and New York appears to have worked as cases have dropped dramatically. What the US is doing clearly isn't as cases are increasing in 30 states and yesterday hit a new record.
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Last edited by Norm; 06-27-2020 at 05:14 AM.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
That's a name one guy came up with that has gained no traction. You will always find critics of a high impact journal. The Lancet has lasted nearly 200 years and is rated second in impact after The New England Journal of Medicine in the category "Medicine, General & Internal".
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/...malaria-drugs/
This is the only objective evidence I found. https://academic-accelerator.com/Journal-Ranking/Popular-Journals
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