There are "yokel" holecarders who are perfectly happy grinding red chips. If you're in the casino anyway, it won't hurt you to know what to look for and get some higher edge action down, but if you're content where you are that's cool too.Originally Posted by 21forme
I hadn't even thought of this possibility tbh. If you'd like to come to the workshop and have this issue you can email me and we can figure out a solution. Thanks! [email protected]
I might be a red chipper but certainly not uneducated. I did graduate with honors from one of the top 50 Public Universities in America. You then get to wear those silly honor cords at graduation with your cap and grown. https://www.niche.com/colleges/searc...-universities/
However, in my case I'm at the end of my blackjack playing years and it wouldn't be worth it for me anymore. I will also say I'm more impressed with this than those $3,000 Blackjack Boot camps.
I will just make a few comments on the following from rxgamble's site on this.
You will not be notified of the exact location of the workshop until 1 hour before (start time will be around noon). No bags, at all. No backpacks, fanny packs, purses. Nothing. No recording devices. You’ll have to empty your pockets before you go in and we will wand you with a metal detector. Nothing is allowed to be taken into the room with you. Either leave your phone at home or turn it off and put it in a box with the other attendees. Seriously, no phones. Pen and paper will be provided. If you’re not okay with this, don’t register. If it appears like you are secretly recording we will call you out.
Whatever name and contact information you choose to give when registering will be kept confidential. The details of your attendance will be kept confidential. Completely.
Really only one hour lead time. Not everybody has a car in Vegas. Some folks use public transportation and are not familiar with the city. I don't think an hour lead time is enough. I do think more information could be given out without disclosing the exact location. Is it going to be in a private home or convention room of some hotel? Will it be near the strip or downtown area within easy access of public transportation?
I know if I had an expensive phone I wouldn't want it thrown in a box with other phones. Maybe better to line then up along a table and give out identify tickets and watch as folks pick them up. I do think more information should be given out. There is no mention of how long this is planned to last. Just some food for thought.
Email: [email protected]
What I just don't understand is the logic for doing the workshop. Now I don't doubt the young girl's bone fides in any way at all and she's obviously got a great track record. She's been involved in teams making over $10m. Obviously she's only taken a percentage of that and that in itself has been made over a period of years but let's put some figures on the workshop. Say around 30 attend, that'll be around $60k in income. Not bad for a day or two's work. However, she has to pay the surveillance guy, pay for the room, and all the other bits and bobs she's going to need. So she may make $40k which in itself is great money for a couple of days at most. But, and it's a big BUT, it can only make the world of hole carding a less efficient place. More people are going to have the skills and possibly more casino staff are going to understand their adversaries. This means it's going to be more difficult for rxgamble and her teams to make money, whatever she says. Is a gain of $40k in the short term worth the risk of losing much more in the long run ? Seems to me the downside for rxgamble is much greater than the upside. Unless she knows the world of hole carding is coming to an end for her and her teams. Or unless she really needs the cash. Either way, the more I think about it, the more holes (sic) there seems in entire concept. I do wish her well however and I'd be interested in her response.
All fair points. The workshop will be in a convention room. I’ve let people know through email that if they stay on the strip or downtown they will be fine time wise and they may want to avoid the very outskirts just so they don’t have to put a lot of drive time in. I will certainly be considerate and not lock the door the minute we start, or not wait a bit till everyone arrives.
The phone thing isn’t negotiable. I have to protect our privacy, the privacy of the attendees and the information we will be sharing. I promise to be gentle with everyone’s phone (which should be completely off). I’ll even wrap them in something before I store them and I’ll place the box in the front of the room so everyone has an eye on it. I’ll also have a clock in the room!
Quite possibly. However, rxgamble has already said that there are enough to do the workshops over 2 days. And how many will be casino staff ? And is the risk for rxgamble worth it whatever the numbers ? After all, compared to what she can probably make with 1 team working over the same period it just doesn't add up to me. Unless she's being a little disingenuous, which I would hope she isn't.
And 100% of them will tell their friends, family, who in turn will tell their friends, family and the process will keep repeating. Next, everyone will be slouching in their chairs desperate to find the smallest of glimpses of pips.
Hey ummagumma,
The world of holecarding is absolutely not coming to an end, at all. I play full time and a good portion of that is holecarding, plenty of spots out here. My intention is not to flood the market or kill gains. The availability of info online is more than ever before and we've got people on the holecard streets who aren't even trained properly, if at all. That will degrade the community and kill games, so I'm taking advantage of the current climate. My workshop will be better than anything else in the public space, it's not close. But I'm not dumb, I won't pretend this workshop will have a neutral effect on the community, however I've done the math and its +EV for me and won't have as much a negative effect on the community that ten other things have had and are having presently. Any APs outraged by this need to reevaluate their priorities imo. I'm not concerned with educating casino staff. I have precautions in place. They are not fool proof, but I'm not worried about it. My intention is not to pull an Elliot Jacobson.
A lot of people are also overlooking the fact that this isn't just a holecarding workshop. I'll be sharing everything I know about team play, signaling, optics, cover etc etc and I've enlisted a surveillance expert to fully breakdown what's going on up there. It's valuable information that I myself have paid for in the past. So with all that I expect some attendees who realize the value in these other things to show up and not even have an interest in becoming a holecarder.
Hope that answers all your questions/concerns. If not hit me up.
Last edited by rxgamble; 09-28-2019 at 01:08 PM. Reason: typo
That's why Uber and taxis were invented. You have to think outside the red chip at times.
Regarding killing the golden goose, I think the seminar is a good thing. I've seen too many neophyte HCers who are waaay too obvious. If the seminar covers technique, which I'm sure it will, it can only help. Regarding price, I assume that includes a copy of Ex CAAActually, I don't need one as I have one of the originals purchased for $250...
Replying to refinery's post: I don't agree with your numbers but people for sure are not considering that a portion of the attendees will not be there to learn holecarding, at least not seriously. The other information, especially the surveillance stuff, is worth an incredible amount of positive EV.
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