Clarfication needed on the closed thread about Exoter and Ryemo

[spiderman]

It is funny how many banned members make socks to come back and post here. We can read your opinions on the site that makes up me as a member and makes false posts in my name and act like it is me making them. If the people there are okay with that or stupid enough to believe it, why should we take them seriously when they come back here posting under a sock.

This reads like someone trying to change the subject. What does whatever is happening on another site have to do with anything?

I will say it is possible I did this

No kidding.

I know I was deceptive

No kidding.

I know I was deceptive about this to protect opportunities but I tried really hard to never lie.

But you DID lie. Not clarifying what you were REALLY talking about was a lie. Especially once it all blew up.

If I decided to cross that line it was not for long.

It was years. And it wasn't even you that came clean on your own and set the record straight. Don set the record straight and you had no choice.

Also I pmed various members with the whole story.

So you told the real story privately to a couple members, while posting the opposite publicly and misleading the rest of the forum and members.

They were sworn to secrecy of what was written and explained what I was trying to protect but within a day quotes from the exchanges were being posted by many people I never sent it to. I learned who can be trusted with privileged info and who can't. Some swear their reputation is unimpeachable concerning secrecy and discretion in relationships. Obviously they have many people fooled into trusting them.

I have no knowledge of this, but if some of the people who were "sworn to secrecy" and you trusted, immediately turned around and revealed what you said, that should have been an indication that these people were uncomfortable with you making false and misleading statements publicly and saying something differently in private.

That confirmed I was right to worry about protecting a great AP opportunity for any APs.

If making your statements and revealing the complete truth, that you were talking about SP21 and NOT regular BJ created such a risk, then you had no business saying anything. If you couldn't be truthful, you should have said nothing. And once you made the decision to do what you did, once the situation blew up, you had an obligation to come clean. You chose not to.

But my methods to do so may not have been right.

Again....no kidding.

Early on I didn't realize how much weaker it was for BJ because, for quite a while, I was on a great run using it in BJ and had me earning many multiples of my EV for Hiopt2/ASC. Plus software took a long time to catch up to paint a better picture. At first, the software gave barely had enough info to make a go of it with my ideas.

So in other words, you posted all these claims without really having data, or significant data, including software simulations, to back it up. That makes your claims theory not fact. You had no business stating the claims you did insisting they were fact.

If you can't understand what happened I don't know what to say. Many others have done things that are far worse.

I do completely understand what happened and so do you. And the "others have done worse" comment doesn't fly.

I am being honest and open about what I remember.

You are to some degree NOW. I will give you that. Still long on excuses and short on an apology though.

Everyone should get over it.

Is that what you would tell a guy sitting in prison, convicted because someone didn't tell the truth? "Just get over it".

But I will close by moving on. It isn't my intention to continue any further with this re-write of history. Thank you for your honesty today, late as it may be.

[BoSox]

I’m also trying to learn how to think outside the box since he said this is critical in understanding his coded message. He’s got it coded so well that not only do the casinos (who live on these forums to learn new AP techniques) not know what he’s doing, but I’m also totally lost.

Well, you DO NOT have to bow your head in disgrace, or feel ashamed on this one. Reading hieroglyphics from a tribe of Neanderthals would be a much easier proposition.
Example: you see a picture in a cave of a pack of animals running, in the next scene you see a picture of hunters throwing spears, next you see happy hunters eating meat around the campfire. In the very last scene you see some of those hunters heading off to the Hard Rock casino for some team play in SP21.

[Three]

So instead of saying stupid shit like you’re getting 500% the advantage a traditional card counter gets, or whatever else BS about using HiOpt 2 with 13 tier level column side count whatever-the-hell and claiming or alluding to that being done in BJ — which is incredibly misleading, especially to newer card counters, why not just keep your trap shut?

That is what I do now. I get really excited with new breakthroughs. I post things too soon to know what I should to make accurate posts. Hell I am still learning about it today. Sine it was a totally new technique I may only scratch the surface of its potential. I have done some ground breaking research since and have something in the works right now that should be very powerful. Do you hear me saying anything about them?

It is my fault as much as anyone else's as to how things went those many years ago. But it was a group effort and the net result, for better or worse, all my advancements will die with me rather than benefit the community save a few people that are on the inside of the research. New card counters don't have a path to follow to be misled down. All that could happen is they become better APs by not stopping their efforts short of their potential. I really don't think I said 500%. I am sure I said something out of line. If memory serves it was an additional 100% ( because that is what happens TO SCORE) which is not possibble in BJ. Anyone quoting 500% didn't understand my posts. I described steady earnings of 300%+ of original earnings and EV that were corrected down to a long run 100% gain (200% of original earnings) infrequently. It was not the gains that were impressive if you understand what I am describing. It is the control of BR growth. That was a happy accident from incremental development causing ramps to be used that were "suboptimal" which I am just starting to fully understand. The interesting thing is the ramp's effect of betting quite different than more accurate future sims would tell me to bet was to bet more in situations that are less volatile and way under bet situations with very volatile results. It also suggested a wonging style that avoided most the volatile situations in favor of less volatile situations. Betting huge into volatility and playing volatility more just creates crazy swings. Why not generate your EV in less volatile situations.

I know some on here use the same concept of not making EV the all important concern in favor of more steady BR growth with great success without a revolutionary new count just by applying the concept in very specific situations. The way the indices generated by my friend's software affected things I could make choices that did this globally but I needed the interaction of the revolutionary new count to do so. I could give a rats ass about EV. The ability to cause very steady BR growth while increasing SCORE was the amazing accomplishment. Those that followed my posts knew they couldn't use my techniques to do so but could do other things that they knew would increase the certainty of BR growth with a minimal impact on other stats if they understood BJ. So they gave up some of their most volatile plays that added little to EV. The result, with a few other tweaks, was much more predictable and steady BR growth in BJ. So some people that took initiative, tried successfully to use the reasons why things worked for me and used that concept to do what they could to do the same thing to steady their BR growth with their count. I don't want to reveal their breakthroughs but being inspired to figure out how to increase the utility of what you do is possible without revolutionary new techniques if you understand BJ and some are now doing it. But too many just focus on EV rather than the big picture. They go for all the EV they can get and have to endure far less steady BR growth which costs them in BR utility which is very important to a pro. So what if you can earn an extra 1% EV if your results are far less likely to be close to long term EV. All of us will have an insignificant sampling for our lifetime of play. In light of this, making results more certain over time is very important.

Now Norm doesn't want me talking about things like this so please stop baiting me to do so.

[bjarg]

I really don't think I said 500%.

You did say that.
I remember it very vividly because Norm banned me for my response.

[Tarzan]

I've found mathematical errors, typos, and mistakes in things I've posted and I'm relatively careful about defining the accuracy of what I'm posting. Given the sheer volume of stuff that Three posts, it's guaranteed that you will find at least some degree of mathematical error, typos, etc., and when he brings up personal issues unrelated to blackjack I sometimes think to myself, "WTF does this have to do with the price of tacos in New Guinea?", but in the overall I've always found his posts interesting, even fascinating with some great content.

[Freightman]

This reads like someone trying to change the subject. What does whatever is happening on another site have to do with anything?


No kidding.


No kidding.

But you DID lie. Not clarifying what you were REALLY talking about was a lie. Especially once it all blew up.

It was years. And it wasn't even you that came clean on your own and set the record straight. Don set the record straight and you had no choice.

So you told the real story privately to a couple members, while posting the opposite publicly and misleading the rest of the forum and members.

I have no knowledge of this, but if some of the people who were "sworn to secrecy" and you trusted, immediately turned around and revealed what you said, that should have been an indication that these people were uncomfortable with you making false and misleading statements publicly and saying something differently in private.


If making your statements and revealing the complete truth, that you were talking about SP21 and NOT regular BJ created such a risk, then you had no business saying anything. If you couldn't be truthful, you should have said nothing. And once you made the decision to do what you did, once the situation blew up, you had an obligation to come clean. You chose not to.


Again....no kidding.


So in other words, you posted all these claims without really having data, or significant data, including software simulations, to back it up. That makes your claims theory not fact. You had no business stating the claims you did insisting they were fact.

I do completely understand what happened and so do you. And the "others have done worse" comment doesn't fly.


You are to some degree NOW. I will give you that. Still long on excuses and short on an apology though.


Is that what you would tell a guy sitting in prison, convicted because someone didn't tell the truth? "Just get over it".

But I will close by moving on. It isn't my intention to continue any further with this re-write of history. Thank you for your honesty today, late as it may be.

Another fucking idiot, with 8 posts to his credit remarking on events from years ago. What's that new program - whose sock is it anyways.

[BoSox]

Another fucking idiot, with 8 posts to his credit remarking on events from years ago. What's that new program - whose sock is it anyways.

What is the matter? You do not like hearing someone putting things into its proper perspective for a change? You think that was not right on the money? That was the best post I saw in four fucking years.

[Freightman]

What is the matter? You do not like hearing someone putting things into its proper perspective for a change. You think that was not right on the money? That was the best post I saw in four fucking years.

It's not the post, rather who made the post. Some guy shows up out nowhere, with no posts prior to this month. I've never been a believer in coincidence. You normally see the bigger picture, but I think you missed it here.

[Dbs6582]

What is the matter? You do not like hearing someone putting things into its proper perspective for a change. You think that was not right on the money? That was the best post I saw in four fucking years.

Agreed! I’m starting to see a pattern with Freightman. Whenever he doesn’t agree with someone, he calls them a F#*€$ idiot. Since he can never make a coherent argument on why he disagrees with someone, he goes right to the lowest form of arguing, calling people names.

Freightman brings up two points that are irrelevant. The number of posts (which is 8) and if the poster is a sock. Who cares? What should matter is the content...does the post make sense? It shouldn’t matter if this was spiderman’s first or 1000 post. I also don’t care if he’s a sock? I’ve seen posts from well established pros on this site that don’t make any sense. The post should be judged on the content alone, not on the trivial meaningless things Freightman uses to judge posts.

Just my my two cents worth for what it’s worth.

[BoSox]

It's not the post, rather who made the post. Some guy shows up out nowhere, with no posts prior to this month. I've never been a believer in coincidence. You normally see the bigger picture, but I think you missed it here.

Come on Freighter I know who made that post, we both do. I do not know exactly what off the board actions he took for his being removed from the board all I know is many of the things he did say on the board turned out correct. Not to mention the board lost a valuable contributor.

[RS]

It's not the post, rather who made the post. Some guy shows up out nowhere, with no posts prior to this month. I've never been a believer in coincidence. You normally see the bigger picture, but I think you missed it here.

It’s the quality of the post that matters, not the quantity of posts. Spiderman’s post was spot on.

[Freightman]

Agreed! I’m starting to see a pattern with Freightman. Whenever he doesn’t agree with someone, he calls them a F#*€$ idiot. Since he can never make a coherent argument on why he disagrees with someone, he goes right to the lowest form of arguing, calling people names.

Freightman brings up two points that are irrelevant. The number of posts (which is 8) and if the poster is a sock. Who cares? What should matter is the content...does the post make sense? It shouldn’t matter if this was spiderman’s first or 1000 post. I also don’t care if he’s a sock? I’ve seen posts from well established pros on this site that don’t make any sense. The post should be judged on the content alone, not on the trivial meaningless things Freightman uses to judge posts.

Just my my two cents worth for what it’s worth.

Not worth the effort to be more concise with the dribblers of diarrhea, for which you are, arguably, its greatest proponent. I also note your prior comments of my supposed obsession with you, yet, I am prominently featured in well over half of your posts. Your actions reek of obsession.

You are not worthy of a more detailed response. Suffice it to say that your existence is a waste of sperm. Congratulations, you've managed a response.

[Freightman]

It’s the quality of the post that matters, not the quantity of posts. Spiderman’s post was spot on.

The issue here is that the forum is being taken over and the meek are allowing it to happen.