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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi guys

    After been here couple of days i realize there r some real experts here, like don and few others. I thought i was ok on counting cards, fine, i admit im still newb. Could you guys give me some advice on betting flow which im so confusing right now.

    Casino near me only have $15 table, 6d s17 game

    So i play $15 at normal count

    Tc2 - 2 unit
    Tc3- 4 unit
    Tc4- 8 unit
    Tc5- 12 unit
    Tc6- 16 unit
    Tc7+ 20 units

    Get out the table at tc negative 2
    Are you using a level 2 counting system and calculating TC by deck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Are you using a level 2 counting system and calculating TC by deck?
    Hi

    What do you mean by level 2? Yes i calculate tc with running count divide by deck left


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi

    What do you mean by level 2? Yes i calculate tc with running count divide by deck left


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    Popular level 1 systems include Hi-Lo, Hi-Opt I.

    Popular level 2 systems include Hi-Opt II, Omega II, Zen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Popular level 1 systems include Hi-Lo, Hi-Opt I.

    Popular level 2 systems include Hi-Opt II, Omega II, Zen.
    I use basic high low system


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    I use basic high low system


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    Your bet ramp is inaccurate for Hi-Lo system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Your bet ramp is inaccurate for Hi-Lo system.
    Hi

    What do you mean by inaccurate for hi lo system


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi

    What do you mean by inaccurate for hi lo system


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    In the sense that your bet ramp is not optimal. Or in other words, it is not proportional to the advantage for the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    In the sense that your bet ramp is not optimal. Or in other words, it is not proportional to the advantage for the players.
    Could you advice what is correct bet ramp please. Thx


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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    In the sense that your bet ramp is not optimal. Or in other words, it is not proportional to the advantage for the players.

    BJGenius007, it is very obvious that the op is lacking skills in many areas, comparable to any beginner, it would be nice if you told the man the truth instead of only implying he just has a bet ramp problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    BJGenius007, it is very obvious that the op is lacking skills in many areas, comparable to any beginner, it would be nice if you told the man the truth instead of only implying he just has a bet ramp problem.
    Well, just fix one problem at a time, then he will get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Well, just fix one problem at a time, then he will get there.
    So what should i fix


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    So what should i fix


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    Like any skill, you cannot master it overnight. Back to your quest for bet ramp, there are no exact numbers to fit all. The numbers depends on the rules (most important rule, S17 or H17), your counting system, your index play and your error rate. Most numbers presented to you here or circulated on Internet are numbers for experienced AP who have mastered BJ and can find the best rules for players. These numbers may not apply to you as you are still learning.

    Generally speaking, for S17 6D game using Hi-Lo, you bet $40, $80, $120, $160 and $200 at TC +1, +2, +3, +4, +5. Bet $10 if TC is zero or negative, or better, Wong-Out. The above is for aggressive players spreading 20 to 1. For beginners, the bet ramp could be $20, $40, $60, $80 and $100 at TC +1, +2, +3, +4, +5. This reduces your winning rate from 0.9%/1.2% to about 0.3%. If you just want to practice and play an even game, you can bet $20, $30, $40, $50 and $60 at TC +1, +2, +3, +4 and +5.

    Note that these TC numbers are truncated. For example, +2.7 is truncated to +2. Also you don't have to practice in casino. There are software for you to practice at home. And read a book about Blackjack. It helps you to see the forest, not just few tress by asking a question or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Like any skill, you cannot master it overnight. Back to your quest for bet ramp, there are no exact numbers to fit all. The numbers depends on the rules (most important rule, S17 or H17), your counting system, your index play and your error rate. Most numbers presented to you here or circulated on Internet are numbers for experienced AP who have mastered BJ and can find the best rules for players. These numbers may not apply to you as you are still learning.

    Generally speaking, for S17 6D game using Hi-Lo, you bet $40, $80, $120, $160 and $200 at TC +1, +2, +3, +4, +5. Bet $10 if TC is zero or negative, or better, Wong-Out. The above is for aggressive players spreading 20 to 1. For beginners, the bet ramp could be $20, $40, $60, $80 and $100 at TC +1, +2, +3, +4, +5. This reduces your winning rate from 0.9%/1.2% to about 0.3%. If you just want to practice and play an even game, you can bet $20, $30, $40, $50 and $60 at TC +1, +2, +3, +4 and +5.

    Note that these TC numbers are truncated. For example, +2.7 is truncated to +2. Also you don't have to practice in casino. There are software for you to practice at home. And read a book about Blackjack. It helps you to see the forest, not just few tress by asking a question or two.
    Thanks alot, i will change my bet ramp. One thing i dont understand is why start raise the bet at +1, +1 give player and dealer the same odd right


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