[QUOTE=Tthree;222220]Oh my God. I get so much. I get a trusted ally because I am very fussy about who I train. I will give most advice if they ask but training means sharing stuff I wouldn't share with hardly anyone.
T3, I hope you pick the right person(s). As I/we know, even the best guarded secret like nuclear technology can not be kept. I read an article in Snyder's site saying that a high ranking casino boss infiltrated into their meetings and all those in meeting were 86ed from that casino when they came to play. I also read somewhere the phrase "what human can created, the humane can re-create/copy"
I Wanted to show a few examples for using the Ace Side Count for a couple particular hands, which are 10v10, 10vA, 88vX(lose only original bet) and the 99v7 where the has Ace has a profound impact on these hands...Remember sometimes the Ace has a bigger influence depending on the hand in play as this example will show you..Notice 88vX with exactly 1 deck remaining(2 deck game) and perfect composition with 1 deck left to play...Of course its better to split than it is to stand right? Yes. Now notice what happens when we remove the last four Aces (and with a TC of 0) in the deck..It now becomes a better play to STAND than it is to SPLIT..So therefore it stands to reason that if your index for this hand is +8(level2) you would assign +2 for every Surplus of Aces dealt FROM the deck..Interestingly enough however in the "other two examples" (10v10,A and 99v7) the Ace should be assigned +4 or -4(twice the value) for these hands..For example notice players 10 v dealers Ace with a TC of 0 and under normal deck composition..Its a much better play to HIT than it is to double..But ADD an Extra Two Acess into that deck, it now becomes a much better play to double than to hit..SO therefore if your index for Ho2 or A02 is +8(H17) you would in effect value the Aces at +4 or -4..And this rule applies for 99v as well..
10vX.jpg10vA.jpg88vXa.jpg88xX.jpg99v7.jpg
Last edited by Jack Jackson; 06-01-2017 at 09:44 AM.
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Your post is largely correct ~ but with Hi-Opt II ...
9-9 vs. 7 Aces are +/- 6 for the Running Count Adjustment,
as amazing as that sounds. Also ... For 9-9 vs Ace, the Aces
are tagged at +/- 4.
The Hi-Opt II index [double deck H17] for 9-9 vs Ace is +2
so one surplus Ace at TC -2 suffices to split the 9's for a nice
e.v. increase, and, importantly, what looks like an idiotic play!
1) Agreed! 2 percent better to double..(Risk Averse asiide)
2)Agreed..Theyre both +ev plays but hittng is better than doubling..
3) For Hi-lo you would ADD +4 to your(+8 for Ho2) Running Count Right? Which would bring your RC/TC back to 0 correct? But if your index to STAND is +4 then its still a better play to SPLIT 88vX..(unless your index is 0?)
4) Agreed! But Remember since your using Hi-lo you must asisgn the correct value for aces to reflect the indices and level of the count your using..OH! Now i see why you said that in question 3
5)If you meant 88vX here, yes your correct!..However If there was two aces deficit, your TC would now be +4 since you must ADD this to your RC..
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Ya, i knew it was at least x4 for each ace, but i thought x6 might be overkill..Hey Flash, have you checked out 9vs7 and 16vs7?Looks like the Ace is pretty helpful here..Perhaps we should make a sweet 16 chart for the most useful Ace Adjustment Plays for Ho2..I was actually disappointed to see that they dont help splitting Tens as much as i thought they would..Perhaps -/+ 1 for each Ace..
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NO.
The Ace serves as a fairly weak card for the player because winning chances for the player
with a presumed 17 are poor. Aces are a STRONGER card for the dealer. Think about it ~
If there are excess Aces and both the dealer and the player have an Ace who benefits more?
This is rather similar to A6, A7, A8, A9 vs a dealer 6 or 5.
Look for hands where the Ace helps the player and hurts the dealer and you will be in a
"key card" situation. Best example: Surplus Sevens (7's) where the decision is 14 vs 9
(without L.S.) You can see that Surplus 7's simultaneously HELP you and HURT the dealer!
Note: I side-count sevens in DD games, raising my P.E. to well over 0.7x%.
See Peter Griffin's "Theory of Blackjack" if you really want to learn that is.
Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 07-03-2017 at 08:42 AM.
I Just wanted to point out some interesting "secondary counts" ive came across over the last couple years..Most are just for show and are just examples of what "optimal counts" with a secondary would look like..Here a few:
1) Revere APC and the other Revere APC
2334320-1-3-4(X-1/A+4) .997
2334320-1-4(0).68
Use the betting count for Multiple Deck and combine the Secondary for single and Double Deck
2) Victor APC:
2223220-1-3(0).68
(3,4,5,6+1 A-4)
2334320-1-3-4.997
3)2223210-1-2-3(X-1/A+4).937 Betting count for Multiple deck only!( 1)2223210-1-3 .678
Heres one that i like and used for awhile, but ended up going back to hi-opt2 w/secondary..
1 1121 1 1 0 -2 (0)
0 1111 0 -1 -1 0( -2)
1 2232 1 0 -1 -2 -2 BC.919
Note to T3: I respect your privacy not to disclose any info on Ho2 w/secondary but if your willing to discuss it on open board then feel free to do so..I would be very interested to see and know what your tagging the Ace as and whether not your still adding half of your secondary count to the primary?
Last edited by Jack Jackson; 07-03-2017 at 12:25 AM.
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In 2001 the late Rob McGarvey of Toronto, Ontario penned a book called
"Aces and Faces Blackjack"
Basically, the author tweaked Hi-Opt II and the Zen Count. The book presents
simulation results. An interesting read, from which one can conclude that those
Counts may be weakened by the tweaks, or at least they may gain a slippery but
concrete, infinitesimally minuscule, amount of e.v., along with the accelerated error
rate one can expect when moving from a Level Two to a Level Three Count.
If anyone wishes to discuss this with me privately, they ought to contact me.
Didn't see the actual context in which it was written, however, it almost certainly refers to soread.
So, a polite spread at a 2 deck game would be 25-150. An insulting spread would be 1x25 to 2x500. Come to think if it, that would be pretty insulting at a 6 deck game also
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