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    What is appropriate BR for 1% RoR????
    I think you mean what is the appropriate bet spread for 1% ROR because bankroll isn't usually variable but bet spread always is. And that depends on rules and cut. I recommend the use of a blackjack simulator such as CVCX to find this information as well as to compare the desirability of various counting opportunities.

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    If you are on a winning streak and know you are playing correctly, remember -- This too shall pass!
    If you are on a losing streak and know you are playing correctly, remember -- This too shall pass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Hmmm. Improve your game?
    There are lots of ways to improve your game. i don't get upset when I lose. i get upset when I gave too much EV or actual money away in disadvantage situations. Your goal in every session, or day at a given casino as I call sessions, is to post the highest EV you can and not to give up much in EV or actual money playing through disadvantage situations. Sometimes I win or push every round or every bet pair through a long disadvantage situation which I am okay with. But sometimes I sit too long after I start losing. I feel that some of your best rounds are while the count is tanking. Each round the count continues to tank is a high card round. You are trying to bet into expected high count rounds but will get successive high card rounds while the count tanks. If I play through a winning run while the count continues to tank I am fine with it. But if I play through losing much at a disadvantage I feel like I played poorly.

    Other ways to improve your game besides EV or setting yourself up to win more when EV isn't there are to use the info you gather more thoroughly like use more indices. Learn new ways to gather and/or use information that increases EV and reduces n0. Learn more about risk and certainty so you can earn money more efficiently with less risk. etc

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    I work on narrowing the focus. As a habit I tell myself "I'm just going to play this one shoe perfectly, and not do anything stupid." It seems to be a deal my brain readily accepts, and makes the picture smaller. Takes what went before out of it., and makes a nice small manageable goal.

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    Playing perfectly has no financial goal attached. I could play the shoe the best it could be played come out 6 units down and be happy with it.

    Got a chuckle out of your silence the dealer strategy, would probably work on guys even better..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjrider View Post
    Playing perfectly has no financial goal attached. I could play the shoe the best it could be played come out 6 units down and be happy with it.
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    Of course it does. The financial goal is to maximize your gain, and if not possible, minimize your loss. I have one such situation, outside if blackjack, going in right now where the goal is to minimize my loss. Part of the strategy is the timing of that loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Of course it does. The financial goal is to maximize your gain, and if not possible, minimize your loss. I have one such situation, outside if blackjack, going in right now where the goal is to minimize my loss. Part of the strategy is the timing of that loss.
    If I'm playing perfectly, that is all part of the system. I don't sit down saying my goal is to win $100 in this shoe. If I'm playing perfectly, minimizing loss, and maximizing gain, is built into my rules. Just have to follow them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjrider View Post
    If I'm playing perfectly, that is all part of the system. I don't sit down saying my goal is to win $100 in this shoe. If I'm playing perfectly, minimizing loss, and maximizing gain, is built into my rules. Just have to follow them.
    Of course, this is correct, and to which I agree. However, you previously said that playing perfectly has no financial gain attached. That statement is incorrect, since, winning or losing any particular session, playing perfectly will maximize your long term result. N'est pas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm7lp View Post
    Thats another question. Ive dugged around and found different answers. What is 1% RoR for a min 100 game? Ive seen 90k. Ive seen "professional bankroll" being 100k. Ive seen another 13,400 units which is 134k. Ive also seen 100 max bets which at a 1-12 ramp is 120k.

    What is appropriate BR for 1% RoR????

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    All games are different. BR for one game with a 75% pen and 1-12 spread is different than BR required for a 70% game or an 80% game....or a 1-10 spread or 1-16 spread.

    Get CVCX and play with the numbers. See what you like and what suits you. If you don't know what your BR needs to be to play with a 1% ROR, then you likely don't have CVCX and you likely don't know your EV, SCORE, etc.
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    I wouldn't be too concerned with RoR until the br reaches six figures. Many poker pro have tapped out numerous times in their quest for autonomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    90k pure profit on 120 hours is absolutely huge. Your numbers tell me you've extremely lucky so far. Think about your current min bet in relation to your bankroll, factor in ROR calculations and consider reducing your bet structure. You started with a Hail Mary, 90k is no longer Hail Mary. Protect yourself accordingly. If you don't have CVCX yet, get it.

    You clearly have some talent - develop it, hone it. Your investment of time and study today will pay huge dividends. You don't have to immediately set the world on fire. So far, nicely done.
    Agree. Good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm7lp View Post
    Been hot for about 5 months... in fact never faced back to back losing sessions in over 50 sessions played. Finally hit some variance and lost 3 in a row. Actually 3 in 2 days and started losing patience and discipline ans started over betting.

    I already know the best answer: TAKE A BREAK.

    Just wondering if there were any other small things i could do to help.

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    Already some good answers in this thread, but I'll add my $0.02. If you don't own CVCX, then definitely buy it. It'll be one of the greatest tools you can own to evaluate your game and assess your Risk of Ruin (RoR). I play off of a low 6 figure Bank Roll (BR) and I still do not play $100 min games, unless it's a deeply dealt DD game with good rules. But our goals may be different too... I rely on my blackjack earnings and try to keep my RoR below 1% and I would not consider my BR replenishable. It sounds like you ran very well (most likely way above expectation) and you'll want to do everything that you can in order to preserve this BR now!

    Losing 3 sessions in a row is extremely common. In fact, I know full time players who have been on losing or break-even streaks for months at a time. The swings can be extremely brutal. "Taking a break" is not normally what I would advise other players. My thoughts would be to plow through the hours, keep your RoR as low as you can, be very selective in your games, and search for tolerance so you can find a joint that will allow you the hours that you'll need in order to earn your EV. If you follow that regimen, you should be fine. Don't allow your good run to cloud your judgment and give you some sort of false sense of security. Variance can be great (when you're running good), but it can also be a bitch. I've been on losing streaks that you would almost think weren't possible. I've also been on the opposit side of the spectrum as well. Just remember... Your EV will eventually manifest, no matter what side of the bell curve you're on right now.

    Good luck.
    Last edited by Ryemo; 03-05-2017 at 02:50 AM.

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    I guess the advice is to play on UNLESS the losing streak affects your decision making. Some overbet, some become overcautious and underbet, some start assuming they will lose even as they enter a casino, some want to bank a winning session after the losing streak so they leave as soon as they are up a $100. The mind is tough to conquer so I prefer to take a break, read, practice, get the optimism back again before heading back in to play.

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