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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    "Calm down. He's exaggerating."
    ABSOLUTELY no hyperbole employed.
    I was not making enough as a ZEN
    counter to live a middle-class lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    " ... trying to understand this. The decision to turn Pro was based on the "enhanced earning", in effect the earnings were so enhanced by the switch from Zen to HO2 that it caused you to go full pro and had you not switched, you would still be a part-timer."
    There is nothing too difficult to comprehend. Even for you, ZeeBabar.
    I had given up a high-paying (medical) professional career in 1992.

    It became obvious that if I was making $300 - $600 dollars a week
    that I couldn't even pay my rent, etc. I was barely covering my fixed expenses.

    I realized that I had to improve my earnings rather dramatically, so I
    switched up to Hi-Opt II. Have you been reading the thread by Eric Farmer ? It shows a very highly significant increase in earnings for Hi-Opt II.

    RE: Your conclusion that had I not improved my earnings I'd have remained a non-professional is false. Only an addict continues gambling if the time spent traveling and playing is not with commensurate rewards re: yearly income. I'd have had to return to the hospitals, etc. where I had been employed, or perhaps taught college classes again.

    The money earned was never a primary motive, as I rarely had a year where my earnings in casinos exceeded a six figure salary. All I wanted was my independence.

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    You're saying that a person makes $300 per week playing Zen but makes, I suppose $2000 playing HO2 under the exact same conditions and betting levels? Sorry, but it seems worth mentioning that is one of the most demonstrably incorrect things I've ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allbizness View Post
    " ... one of the most demonstrably incorrect things I've ever read."
    You are definitely a strange duck, or, at least a rank amateur at character assassination.

    "Demonstrable incorrect" you say ?

    Anyone can scroll back and waste their time looking for a reference to $2,000, as that doesn't exist.

    Note: that with Hi-Opt II there are numerous improvements (other than a win rate increase) that permitted me to play for HIGHER stakes and longer hours due to a better N0, reduced R.O.R. reduced variance, reduced heat, etc.

    T3 has pointed this out many times, without people like yourself fully understanding this.

    As a Zennist, playing BLACK was a bit too risky; but that was not so with Hi-Opt II; so I was able to play for much higher stakes, longer hours, etc. etc.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 01-29-2017 at 08:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    You are definitely a strange duck, or, at least a rank amateur at character assassination.

    Anyone can scroll back and waste their time looking for a reference to $2,000, which doesn't exist.
    Are you claiming that using the same betting levels and spread, the earnings difference between ZEN and HiOpt2 is several hundred dollars a week? How much more of your annual earnings were from HO2 than you would have had by playing with ZEN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    You are definitely a strange duck, or, at least a rank amateur at character assassination.

    Anyone can scroll back and waste their time looking for a reference to $2,000, which doesn't exist.
    OK...? So you're a name-caller. As a matter of fact, I'm starting to think you're kind of odd. I'm not sure that calling me that first is appropriate or genuine. Anyway, I didn't say you said $2000. I said "I suppose $2000." But you did say you gave up the salary of a high-paying medical professional and/or a university professor, and that you aren't a problem gambler, which implies you didn't downgrade your lifestyle to spend more time gambling. Since the average annual salary of a university professor is greater than $98,000, and that of a high-paid medical professional exceeds $150,000, I didn't think $2000 per week was an unreasonable "supposition." And it doesn't matter because going from $450-$1000 is no less ridiculous than going from $300-$2000. And your previous statement is and remains one of the most inaccurate advantage gambling statements I ever read. But I take back the sorry. But I am sorry that calling me names doesn't change the math because it'd be nice if it did.
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    Let me see if I am following this absurdity.

    You begin by accusing me of stating "demonstrable" falsehoods.

    Now you are tossing about salary figures. Which is odd enough as

    I had made it abundantly clear that I care little about money, over

    and above what I need to pay my bills, etc. Re-read my post.

    Try doing so without prejudice.

    Note: that with Hi-Opt II there are numerous improvements (other than a win rate increase) that permitted me to play for HIGHER stakes and longer hours due to a better N0, reduced R.O.R. reduced variance, reduced heat, etc.

    T3 has pointed this out many times, without some people fully understanding this.

    As a Zennist, playing BLACK was a bit too risky; but that was not so with Hi-Opt II; so I was able to play for much higher stakes, longer hours, etc. etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Are you claiming that using the same betting levels and spread, the earnings difference between ZEN and HiOpt2 is several hundred dollars a week? How much more of your annual earnings were from HO2 than you would have had by playing with ZEN?
    That is my understanding and it is demonstrably impossible. But I guess I'm just a rank amateur. Ploppies tell me that all the time when I hit my 12 against 3 or gosh forbid surrender a 17.

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    At NO TIME did I state [or imply] that the betting levels, hrs. etc. were equal. Mutatis Mutandis.

    Too many assumptions being made by those whose agenda is to defame or belittle me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Let me see if I am following this absurdity.

    You begin by accusing me of stating "demonstrable" falsehoods.

    Now you are tossing about salary figures. Which is odd enough as

    I had made it abundantly clear that I care little about money, over

    and above what I need to pay my bills, etc. Re-read my post.

    Try doing so without prejudice.

    Note: that with Hi-Opt II there are numerous improvements (other than a win rate increase) that permitted me to play for HIGHER stakes and longer hours due to a better N0, reduced R.O.R. reduced variance, reduced heat, etc.

    T3 has pointed this out many times, without some people fully understanding this.

    As a Zennist, playing BLACK was a bit too risky; but that was not so with Hi-Opt II; so I was able to play for much higher stakes, longer hours, etc. etc.

    I didn't make any accusations. I just stated a fact. It's false. I didn't toss out salary figures. You did. The figures were "$300-$600 per week" and "dramatically increased" and "high-paid medical professional." I just subbed $2000 in for the last two. I'm not sure why not caring about money makes any sense or how it figures in here, other than trying to make your statement seem plausible. There is no rational way you can get reduced heat, make dramatically more money, and reduce ROR without adding external money to your bankroll and upping the stakes. You remind me of a used car salesman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allbizness View Post
    "I didn't make any accusations. I just stated a fact. It's false. I didn't toss out salary figures. You did. The figures were "$300-$600 per week" and "dramatically increased" and "high-paid medical professional." I just subbed $2000 in for the last two. I'm not sure why not caring about money makes any sense or how it figures in here, other than trying to make your statement seem plausible. There is no rational way you can get reduced heat, make dramatically more money, and reduce ROR without adding external money to your bankroll and upping the stakes. You remind me of a used car salesman."
    Your misunderstanding of the facts re: Zen. vs. Hi-Opt II reveals your beginner's status. Only a person with a fragile ego feels the need to defend his misunderstandings, rather than to admit that they may not have a proper grasp and understanding of the issue(s) at hand.

    I stated NO falsehoods. Your silly conclusion stated as "There is no rational way you can get reduced heat, make dramatically more money, and reduce ROR without adding external money to your bankroll and upping the stakes." appeals to your rather narrow understanding of the metrics we employ in order to discuss our games.

    No need to add "additional monies" as Hi-Opt II is so much more powerful, as has been shared with us by the redoubtable Eric Farmer.

    RE: "not caring about money" -- being emotionally married to money is a huge stumbling block for an A.P.

    You cannot state
    "I just subbed $2000" adding to my post some imaginary figure and tasking me with defending what I did NOT state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    It became obvious that if I was making $300 - $600 dollars a week
    that I couldn't even pay my rent, etc. I was barely covering my fixed expenses.

    I realized that I had to improve my earnings rather dramatically, so I
    switched up to Hi-Opt II. Have you been reading the thread by Eric Farmer ? It shows a very highly significant increase in earnings for Hi-Opt II.
    SCORE shows about 10% better performance for HO2 vs Zen. That's at the same ROR, my friend. So you are saying going from $600/week to $660/week, at best, was a "highly significant" improvement? 10% or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    SCORE shows about 10% better performance for HO2 vs Zen. That's at the same ROR, my friend. So you are saying going from $600/week to $660/week, at best, was a "highly significant" improvement? 10% or less?
    No, not 10% better performance. 20% or better.

    SCORE is a useful metric.
    An algorithm valuable for game comparison.
    But you cannot "pay the bills" with SCORE.
    On the other hand, as Eric Farmer has recently
    reiterated, WinRates for Hi-Opt II can be over
    20% improved.

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