There's a lot more players besides T3 and Flash using Hi Opt II. It's a top of the line, powerful, elegant system. If not the best, certainly very near the top of the list.Originally Posted by seriousplayer
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Really, we are on post 171 and no definitive answer exist on the right count? We now need to do some more sims? Really?
Guys, you beat these people by playing the right game with the right tolerance for the right amount of time and with the system that will tell you that you have an advantage so you can bet aggressively but within your RoR tolerance.
All the rest is noise.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
I don't think we're really having a debate. It's more like this thread has become the equivalent of the local water hole, and the blackjack animals are gathering around and baying, chirping, barking, whatever. The best count for an individual is one that can gain an advantage over the house and that has been mastered, and meets the needs of the players. Some players approach the game with a professional level zeal, and some just want to do a little better than break even to have fun and not lose money.
Quote taken from post #94 in thread.
Tthree, is correct that there are traveling players "I do not call them AP" who burn out casinos and do not worry about limitations, using a very aggressive approach. These players often use simple approaches and don't worry about getting caught. What are the reasons why? Possibly because of desperation to cover the cost of traveling expenses, and the attempt to earn a decent return. I look at it as a sad, and wrong approach with poor ideas. Many, many more players use simple systems combined than a few of the top counts. Could this be the reason why more of the STUPID players who burn out joints, including teams, use simple counts. Of course that is the reason, but throw out any semblance of logic here. Tthree's implications are simple enough, playing with bad winning objectives is LIMITED to simple system users.
Wrong! I do not give a shit who you think you are fooling, when you win money on a somewhat consistent basis regardless of the amount "especially at high levels" or the system used you will be watched and possibly removed. If you look non threatening with small buy in's, use smaller spreads, made up by wonging, sit out hands, and taking breaks, changing pits, and rathole you can reach your goal. You can also put in a little more time at the tables, if you rotate casinos. I could write all day about this subject but the casinos read these boards to so I wont.
The tolerance level of the casino, and your level of play is going to have a lot to do with how long you will be allowed to play.As far as you saying the simple CC don't even have good enough info to make bets and plays that are accurate, is just stupid on your part. Frankly we do not know if you are referring to only blackjack, when you are often writing about other games, without saying so. Don Schlesinger, has pointed out with proof on numerous times of the flaws you have made claiming huge differences in comparing CC systems, he is completely unbiased in his claim and still you insist going on with your claims. I think you like to downgrade others who disregard you. I am the one who voted no on the did I find this post helpful poll because I feel it was a worthless post.
Last edited by BoSox; 12-28-2016 at 04:13 PM.
Excellent post Bosox. You need to open up more often. You are a bright guy with a valued opinion. "There is iron in your words of honor."
I don't agree with your entire viewpoint as shoe vs pitch games are as different as milers vs sprinters. But I respect and appreciate it.
The OP plays strictly single and double deck. Maybe Norm should really consider a segment for pitch games, another for shoe, and another for Spanish 21.
It would reduce a mountain of confusion. I'd probably never read two of those three.
Wrong advice runs rampant. For instance, playing all in a pitch game would be like Don S telling his two miler to go as hard as he can for as long as he can. He will look great for awhile but ultimately finish last.
Last edited by moses; 12-28-2016 at 09:11 AM.
You might want to take a statistics course. Bets and plays are based on the average for the TC bin your count is in and is perfectly valid for long run stats. When it comes to particular decisions rather than the average of all decisions combined for the bin the accuracy is reflected in the SD of the decision bin you are in. If the bell curve for the decision has a large SD the decision isn't as accurate as a low SD would indicate. The inaccuracy causes smaller optimal bets for the same RoR, BR and spread on the same game and larger swings expected from more random results of a wider SD bell curve. If your sim doesn't give TC bin SD it can be inferred on a relative basis to other counts by looking at each counts optimal bets. The high SD count will have smaller optimal bets. They are smaller because the swings are bigger relative to your top bet due to the wider bell curves around decisions (less accurate decisions) so your top bet and all other optimal bets will be lower for the same ROR. The comment was more that to know how much something costs is only as accurate as the counts prediction of cost. Your decisions will wear you down just like it wears down the optimal bet sizes for the same RoR. If you have the BR to withstand the swings you should be fine but the cost of cover is a lot harder to accurately define and the time it takes to approach that average is a big issue as well. The more accurate the decision the fewer rounds it takes to have actual cost of specific deck compositions approach theoretical average costs.
Gawd. Hopefully, I can still get in before next semester starts. Maybe I can get free tix and sit behind the band with the other students.
10k hands a month is a load. So let's say 100k hands a year for the player that lives in Vegas and never gets 86ed. "If" you can sustain this pace for 10 years, then you will have played a million hands in a decade.
Now the "Pros" that travel might get 30k or 40k hands per year. But let's say 50k hands annually. That's 20 years for the travel Pro to play a million hands. Thank goodness I'm not a Pro. What hand actually crosses the threshold into the long run?
When does a "short" session expire?
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