Video Poker help

**seriousplayer** · 12-04-2016, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Joe Mama

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...gy/calculator/

Nope, no Downtown Deuces.

**Joe Mama** · 12-04-2016, 03:43 PM

You may not find that name. you need to input the pay tables into the calculator for a deuces wild game

**seriousplayer** · 12-04-2016, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Joe Mama

You may not find that name. you need to input the pay tables into the calculator for a deuces wild game

Ok I see what you are saying. Thank You

**Bubbles** · 12-04-2016, 06:30 PM

Thank you for all your input and help. I'm feeling less lost. I found a few stores on the vpfree2 site I want to check out.

I will look into bob's software. It sounds like a must if this becomes something I intend to do every year. I think I'll see how this year goes before I make the investment.

As for the infinite bankroll comments, I plan to get my losses back and more with comps.

**seriousplayer** · 12-04-2016, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Fenix

As for the infinite bankroll comments, I plan to get my losses back and more with comps.

The Wizard of Odds website displays the bankroll requirements for Video Poker. I would study and use it.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/appendix/1/

RS · 12-04-2016, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by seriousplayer

The Wizard of Odds website displays the bankroll requirements for Video Poker. I would study and use it.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/appendix/1/

That's pretty much useless, unless you wanna grind out pennies.

**Joe Mama** · 12-05-2016, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by RollingStoned

That's pretty much useless, unless you wanna grind out pennies.

It's not pennies if you play high enough stakes. you can easily put $20k/hr through a machine (I've done it), at 1% EV that's $200/hr. It is a grind however.

**Exoter175** · 12-05-2016, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Fenix

Thank you for all your input and help. I'm feeling less lost. I found a few stores on the vpfree2 site I want to check out.

I will look into bob's software. It sounds like a must if this becomes something I intend to do every year. I think I'll see how this year goes before I make the investment.

As for the infinite bankroll comments, I plan to get my losses back and more with comps.

I hope you're planning on working the system in some way, and not just sitting down to play a high% VP game for comps. You're going to be let down.

Originally Posted by Joe Mama

It's not pennies if you play high enough stakes. you can easily put $20k/hr through a machine (I've done it), at 1% EV that's $200/hr. It is a grind however.

Things change, things HAVE changed, and there's so much more to comp hustling now than when Max wrote his book. You can't stick $20k/hr through a machine and get 1% back unless you KNOW where and how to run it.

**Bubbles** · 12-05-2016, 08:48 AM

I believe I'll be able to get my money's worth out of the comps. If not, I won't repeat this next year, lol.

**seriousplayer** · 12-05-2016, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Things change, things HAVE changed, and there's so much more to comp hustling now than when Max wrote his book. You can't stick $20k/hr through a machine and get 1% back unless you KNOW where and how to run it.

Do you have any advice on how to work the casino comp system that you want to share? Maybe not in the public board but I am available through PM also. It going to be a sensitive topic.

**Exoter175** · 12-05-2016, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Fenix

I believe I'll be able to get my money's worth out of the comps. If not, I won't repeat this next year, lol.

You'll likely see far too much volatility in such a small sample period.

Originally Posted by seriousplayer

Do you have any advice on how to work the casino comp system that you want to share? Maybe not in the public board but I am available through PM also. It going to be a sensitive topic.

I'm not sure its in my best interest to share something like this, which is the intellectual equivalent of reverse engineering the various casinos software comps systems, and finding their vulnerabilities.

**Stealth** · 12-06-2016, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by seriousplayer

Do you have any advice on how to work the casino comp system that you want to share? Maybe not in the public board but I am available through PM also. It going to be a sensitive topic.

My advice is to know the casino system you are planning on attacking. This may take time, research, play test, etc. Also, know that if, after you figure it out, you tell enough people then the casino will likely change the system! They do the offers to get you to increase play, not to beat their reward systems.

Harrah's Total Rewards is a highly sophisticated statistical marketing system that understands things like where you live, what your casino habits are, where you go and how frequently, etc. Last time I checked they had over 40 million cardholders! It will not take them but about three months to determine if you are playing their system and they will then take corrective measures.

Other casino systems may well have different vulnerabilities that can be exploited. Beating any of these systems is work.

**seriousplayer** · 12-06-2016, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Stealth

Harrah's Total Rewards is a highly sophisticated statistical marketing system that understands things like where you live, what your casino habits are, where you go and how frequently, etc. Last time I checked they had over 40 million cardholders! It will not take them but about three months to determine if you are playing their system and they will then take corrective measures.

Other casino systems may well have different vulnerabilities that can be exploited. Beating any of these systems is work.

It is true that the Total Rewards marketing system is statistical but I don't believe it is highly complex. I am sure that we can find an inefficiency to their system that they don't know themselves.