Memorizing full index or between -6 and +6

**ZeeBabar** · 08-08-2016, 02:38 PM

I have been playing HiLo with I-18. I was wondering if there was any easy way to remember those and add additional indexes. Is there an easier chart or trick to memorization?

**Three** · 08-08-2016, 04:02 PM

I memorize them as a series of numbers for each hand total. I use a set of 5 for upward 2 thru 6 and another for 7 thru A. Unless you were raised on speed dial, you had to commit a lot of phone numbers to memory. It is an memory exercise we are familiar with. So if your index numbers for a hand's totaling 2 thru 6 were +4, +2, 0, -2, -1 you would know that with an up-card of 2 the index was +4, or dealer 3 the index is +2 or a dealer 4 is the index is 0 etc. There aren't very many sets of index number strings to memorize. If you memorize the image as written above when you are relighting the series you can identify the upward without thinking through the sequence. For instance 4 the dealer card for the middle number, the left and right ends are 2 and 6 respectively and the other numbers are either 3 or 5 it shouldn't be hard to figure which is which in the mental image. So you remember the number sequence and see them as mental image as they were written here you just know them without really thinking. The commonly used ones will be remembered without the image soon enough.

**Three** · 08-08-2016, 04:07 PM

Don't be surprised if you see a pattern in how each series for the same set of dealer cards changes from the first number in the series.

**ZeeBabar** · 08-08-2016, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by moses

Here is an idea Zee. Run a SIM of hi lo at the ill 18. Can you really split 10 without heat? If not, take them out. Now run a SIM. Then run another SIM between the 6s. The result may not be worth it. Then run one between the 5s, 4s etc. At some point, you will determine if the indexes are worth holding in memory or not.

Moses, make it easy for me. Besides the I-18, what others are really worth holding? Yes, I found not split 10's. I appreciate your help.

**ZeeBabar** · 08-08-2016, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

I memorize them as a series of numbers for each hand total. I use a set of 5 for upward 2 thru 6 and another for 7 thru A. Unless you were raised on speed dial, you had to commit a lot of phone numbers to memory. It is an memory exercise we are familiar with. So if your index numbers for a hand's totaling 2 thru 6 were +4, +2, 0, -2, -1 you would know that with an up-card of 2 the index was +4, or dealer 3 the index is +2 or a dealer 4 is the index is 0 etc. There aren't very many sets of index number strings to memorize. If you memorize the image as written above when you are relighting the series you can identify the upward without thinking through the sequence. For instance 4 the dealer card for the middle number, the left and right ends are 2 and 6 respectively and the other numbers are either 3 or 5 it shouldn't be hard to figure which is which in the mental image. So you remember the number sequence and see them as mental image as they were written here you just know them without really thinking. The commonly used ones will be remembered without the image soon enough.

Thanks Tthree. Helps. I will work on it.

**DSchles** · 08-08-2016, 06:16 PM

Why would you give equal importance (symmetry) to learning as many negative indices (down to -6) as positive ones? Why would you ever want to know that -6 is an index for a play???

Don

**Gramazeka** · 08-08-2016, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

I have been playing HiLo with I-18. I was wondering if there was any easy way to remember those and add additional indexes. Is there an easier chart or trick to memorization?

You have 1,111 posts and you ask as it is better to remember minus indexes??? Tthree advises you as to make it ??? Lol

**BJGenius007** · 08-08-2016, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

I have been playing HiLo with I-18. I was wondering if there was any easy way to remember those and add additional indexes. Is there an easier chart or trick to memorization?

I-18 includes insurance, 10 stand/hit, 5 double, 2 split.

Of the 18, only the 2 split are dangerous index play that may alert the casino surveillance. If you have to play all hands, you might find full index play on all small upcard is very helpful. First step, you need to memorize all indexes against dealer upcard 2,3,4:

16 v {2,3,4} : {-8, -9, -10}
15 v {2,3,4} : {-6, -7, -8}
14 v {2,3,4} : {-3, -4, -5}
13 v {2,3,4} : {-1, -2, -3}

The easy way is to remind yourself that 12 v {2,3,4,5,6} are already in Illustrious 18, so are 13 v {2,3}. So you try to add 10 more index plays. I would divide them into two parts. 13/14 which have indexes -1, -2, -3, then -3, -4, -5. And 15/16 have indexes -6,-7,-8 and -8,-9,-10.

After you are familiar with these indexes, the next extension is to add upcard 5 and 6:

16 v {2,3,4,5,6} : {-8,-9,-10,-12,-12}
15 v {2,3,4,5,6} : {-6,-7,-8,-9,-8.5}
14 v {2,3,4,5,6} : {-3,-4,-5,-6.5,-6}
13 v {2,3,4,5,6} : {-1,-2,-3,-4.5,-4}

I did hit 16 v 6 occasionally when the index play calls for it.

**stopgambling** · 08-08-2016, 08:07 PM

i would guess the next important would be 14 vs 10 . i would worry more about my deck estimation and counting skill(with error) before anything pass the I18.AND OF COURSE 16 VS 8,7 ,15VS 8,7 ,14 VS 10,9 ,13 VS 10 . Accurate deck estimation got me farther than the extra few index.

**Three** · 08-08-2016, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gramazeka

Tthree advises you as to make it ??? Lol

Tthree answered his question as to tricks to aid in memorizing more indices fast and effective. With this technique you should be able to memorize any or all indices quickly and have quick access to the info. Like Don said I just answered his question directly, short and simple. Then I get shit for it. I guess brevity is not the answer.

**Three** · 08-08-2016, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by stopgambling

i would guess the next important would be 14 vs 10 . i would worry more about my deck estimation and counting skill(with error) before anything pass the I18.AND OF COURSE 16 VS 8,7 ,15VS 8,7 ,14 VS 10,9 ,13 VS 10 . Accurate deck estimation got me farther than the extra few index.

But memorizing indices is so quick and easy why should it wait for you to develop skills that may take a longtime to master.

**Gramazeka** · 08-08-2016, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

Tthree answered his question as to tricks to aid in memorizing more indices fast and effective. With this technique you should be able to memorize any or all indices quickly and have quick access to the info. Like Don said I just answered his question directly, short and simple. Then I get shit for it. I guess brevity is not the answer.

The good master uses the maximum bet in minus zones and the plus indexes. That in what you are engaged - don't cost also some hot dog. Don S understands me. He will explain to you... .