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    All of the name calling, chest pumping, bullshit wrapped around some occasional blackjack commentary is not useful from any of the participants.

    Would respectably submit a need for a New Year's resolution to clean this up.........NOW!

    Next year, I am not wanting to wade through page after page of the same pig with different color lipstick.

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    Can't believe this. KJ comes back and immediately starts going on about the site and people on it. And then continues in nearly every post he makes. We're sick and tired of this monomania. Suspended for four days. And please, don't continue this nonsense without him.
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    Over the years spending about 60 hours a week wandering about means about 35 hours at the tables on average. For me a playing day is somewhere between 2-8 hours at the tables depending on how many casinos I want to work into the day and how I feel. Add in travel time if going from AC to PA to MD, etc. I look for quality, not quantity if possible and that can mean traveling farther, standing around a little more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Lol. I'm not sure about leading people to the promise land. Moses was lost in the desert for 40 years, found it, and then expired. Not exactly my plan. I was thinking more along the lines of the burning bush goes hand in hand..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
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    Hilarious Freightman. Made my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    All of the name calling, chest pumping, bullshit wrapped around some occasional blackjack commentary is not useful from any of the participants.

    Would respectably submit a need for a New Year's resolution to clean this up.........NOW!

    Next year, I am not wanting to wade through page after page of the same pig with different color lipstick.

    Happy Holidays!!
    I can't argue your point Stealth. But it appears to me from another thread that you have the broom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Yeah. It does seem to work that way. Every 4 to 6 hours I seem to hit the same average hourly. At 20 hours there is only rare times that I am not at my hourly.
    C'mon T - you make a lot of thoughtful posts and provide a lot of good info on this site, but somebody has to call you out on this outlandish statement. It makes no sense in blackjack statistical terms.

    If we interpret "rare times" as something beyond 2 standard deviations ("N02"), you're basically saying that you reach this point after 2,000 rounds. That puts your N0 at 500 rounds and the SCORE of your game at 2,000. Obviously not factual, so I'll consider your statement as hyperbole. N0?

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    Certainly doesn't match my experience.
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    Well my SCORE as DonS defined it is 153 with a n0 of 6546. That is as the computer plays but I use the info gathered better for finding good situations. Perhaps perception is different from reality but save the really bad times like splitting max bet to max hands with doubles that are all swept by the dealer and my perception is pretty accurate. That happens very rarely. I did have it happen 4 times in one trip once though. You can infer what you will given the SCORE/n0 but the way I play large swings in either direction are fairly rare. There is definitely a change from the ebb and flow of a linear system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Well my SCORE as DonS defined it is 153 with a n0 of 6546. That is as the computer plays but I use the info gathered better for finding good situations. Perhaps perception is different from reality but save the really bad times like splitting max bet to max hands with doubles that are all swept by the dealer and my perception is pretty accurate. That happens very rarely. I did have it happen 4 times in one trip once though. You can infer what you will given the SCORE/n0 but the way I play large swings in either direction are fairly rare. There is definitely a change from the ebb and flow of a linear system.
    Both you and Flash have alluded to tight spreads. What is yours?

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    If a person maintained two counts - one for Mentor a the playing count - the other RPC for betting purpose, I'm almost certain SCORE, n0, C-score would improve drastically over either one individually. There is a point where the two counts come together for the perfect storm so to speak. But T3 is doing far more that this with far more complex counts, bell curves, and buckets. I don't know how he does it, but my cap goes off to him for even thinking it up in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Both you and Flash have alluded to tight spreads. What is yours?
    It looks like 1-10 but it is really much larger if the right situation arises to be patient and play at a disadvantage. The highest it gets to is 1-50. So saying what my spread is is a little complicated. Most of the time it is 1-10 and less often 1-25 but could reach 1-50. It gets high when I elect to play through severe negative counts with deck compositions that could have a big advantage in a round or 2 if the right cards are removed. I will invest time in being patient but not risk a lot of money. When the deck gets whacky the EoR's of cards can be very different than full deck EoR's. I don't want to get into details about what these deck compositions are but the shift in advantage for the removal of certain cards can really get surprising when the deck gets really out of whack. You are familiar with playing the obvious strong situations and leaving the ones your count say are really bad. This is where my play differs from the sim that generated the SCORE and n0. The sim would not play those hands. Then if things go as I hope I am making very large bets when everyone thinks I should be at a big disadvantage. If the wrong cards are removed the opportunity for the count to bring this large bet betting opportunity is gone and I find another table. Most of the time one or the other happens pretty quick but sometimes the carrot dangles for a long time causing many rounds played at a big disadvantage. I don't want to lose much when this happens just lose some time.
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