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    Brief Las Vegas trip report and needing advice..

    I travelled to Las Vegas a number of times before but always landing there on a Thursday night and departing on the red eye flight on Saturday night, basically having 2 full days. Sometimes, I travelled on a wednesday and returned on Sunday. However, after analyzing the past year, after expoenses, I was barely making $20 an hour for about 10-15 hours of play. So, this year, I changed plans and on my second trip to Las Vegas this year, I left on a Monday night, returned on the red eye flight on Friday, essentiually having 4 full days to play. Given my age and stamina, that amounted to about 6 hours a day of playing or 24 hours for the trip. I actually ended up playing only 16 hours. I played mostly DD games (90%) and some 6 deck games. First the brief bottom line..but unusual results..

    Arrived late Monday night, went out to play Tuesday. Played about 6 hours in 7 casinos and ended the day up $1100. Next day, Wednesday, again I played about 6-7 casinos, ended up losing the $1100 plus another $400. Had my single luckiest day on Thursday and won $3300. I decided not to play on Friday. I had won about $2800+ after expenses. Either I wanted to preserve my win and grin my way home or more likely, I was burnt out and simply wanted to take the day off.

    Here were some of the issues I faced. I had planned to play anonymously (while giving a bit rated play at the casinos I was comped) but elected to use my players card more often. I just did not know how to plan my day. For instance, I was up each day and ready to go out. As an example, I got into my rental car the first day, headed downtown for a short session at the sweaty spaniard. Won a small amount, was getting too much attention which dissipated when I decided to pull out my players card ("I got so many cards, dont know if I have yours and put 10+ cards on the table, found theirs). They probably looked me up, noticed I had not been there in months, went elsewhere and left me alone to play both, the SD and DD game. I left the place, drove down to Boulder Station but only one $10 table open on a Tuesday morning, no one playing. I played but the pit not being busy, stood over the table. Drove next to Sunset but again, empty at about 10:00 a.m. Drove down to Green Valley and played there a while, few patrons around, pit keeping a close eye.

    I just did not know what casino to target on an early week day morning. I prefer a bit busier pit, a few more tables for them to observe, etc. I did not really want to play on the strip (I hate parking fees) but ended up going to the Tropicana one day. I sat at the lone DD table one morning and won on my first shoe. It was in the second Dd shoe that I got my first BJ and its then that I found out I was playing a 6:5 table. I colored up immediately and left. Nothing available as far as $25 DD at MGM, walked across to NYNY and played the $25 DD game with just one other person. Again, early weekday morning, only 1 BJ table an d heat. They called "checks play" on a $100 bet even after I had just moved up after a $75 bet. In any case, I did not play on the strip after that.

    I felt most comfortabe playing early evening/late afternoon on week days because tables were available but enough players playing so pit was kept busy and no serious scrutiny. Finding good DD games at low stakes in the evenings were a problem because I only had tables for a while before enough playetrs sat down gto where I had to move on (I dont like playing DD with more than 3 spots taken).

    So, I need to find which casinos to play when...weekday mornings, evenings, weekends and such. I sense that the local places dont really start going before noon and should consider the strip or downtwon for early mornings, local casinos for the afternoons and early evenings and maybe 6 deck games for the busier evening and weekend/event days.

    I need to learn to be comfortable with heat and back offs. With heat, I found myself playing too conservatively, spreading mostly 1-5 on DD games, leaving when up just $300+ or under 45 minutes, often using the players card to dissipate heat. I learned I could do quite well even playing red chip games where less heat was prevalent. In any case, my next trip is scheduled for Colorado in May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    In any case, my next trip is scheduled for Colorado in May.
    Hope you don't run into any snow. It was snowing pretty good in the U.P. yesterday, but no accumulation.

    It can snow in Black Hawk in May, like back in 2017 when they got 11.3 inches.
    https://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/1...totals-may-19/
    Last edited by Midwest Player; 04-30-2019 at 07:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Hope you don't run into any snow. It was snowing pretty good in the U.P. yesterday, but no accumulation.

    It can snow in Black Hawk in May, like back in 2017 when they got 11.3 inches.
    https://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/1...totals-may-19/
    I am thinking of changing flight and going elsewhere because I just don't like cold. Maybe reschedule for July.

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    Zee, I would go now. What happened in 2017 was probably just an exception. Here is average in Black Hawk for May 60° / 38°.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Zee, I would go now. What happened in 2017 was probably just an exception. Here is average in Black Hawk for May 60° / 38°.
    Thanks, I plan on getting there in middle of May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Thanks, I plan on getting there in middle of May.
    Best time to visit Black Hawk.
    https://championtraveler.com/dates/b...ck-hawk-co-us/

    https://www.eliotandme.com/when-to-v...+Hawk,+CO,+USA

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    If you do go, let me know. I plan on making first trip in May sometime too...I will trade info with you on other Western casinos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Thanks, I plan on getting there in middle of May.
    Please post the exact dates. The casinos would appreciate your help.

    BTW, I ran into another AP recently who is very pissed at you for outing his/her play in one of your Vegas trip reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Please post the exact dates. The casinos would appreciate your help.

    BTW, I ran into another AP recently who is very pissed at you for outing his/her play in one of your Vegas trip reports.
    I have never met an AP in Las Vegas or anywhere! One guy knew my name but I had no idea who he was, whether he was an AP or someone who simply lurked on one of the forums I subscribed too. I described him very vaguely and you call that an outing? I still do not know who that was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I have never met an AP in Las Vegas or anywhere! One guy knew my name but I had no idea who he was, whether he was an AP or someone who simply lurked on one of the forums I subscribed too. I described him very vaguely and you call that an outing? I still do not know who that was.
    Different post. There was one where you described another AP's technique and wonder why you were getting heat and that person wasn't.

    In any case, I know you ignore everyone's advice and like to argue about it, but I'll say it again - your descriptions are too detailed - with respect to yourself and any others you may run across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Different post. There was one where you described another AP's technique and wonder why you were getting heat and that person wasn't.

    In any case, I know you ignore everyone's advice and like to argue about it, but I'll say it again - your descriptions are too detailed - with respect to yourself and any others you may run across.
    Paranoia runds deep,
    Into your heart it will creep..

    First, I cant remember anyone else's technique because, as I said, I know no AP nor what they look like. If you want to believe casinos are paying someone to read this forum, believe everyone who claims to make 6 figures here playing BJ and spend time getting all the info they need to flier them, then that is your right. If there is someone from the casinos reading this, they seem to have trusted your judgment that I am a lousy card counter because, despite outing myself, admitting I am in OSN, giving detailed information about exactly how much I have made from my recreational BJ over the years, even sharing when I will be at a particular location, they seem to not be too concerned about me.

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    Old dog

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    you complain about expenses but then put in minimal hours because you happen to be up
    this isn't how money is made or expenses are lowered

    you remind me of a friend of mine who tried to be a poker pro but would quit playing after an hour or two if he doubled up

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