LV trip report for the part timers

**BJGenius007** · 09-05-2018, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Search the archives using FBM ASC as the search parameter. I’m sure you will be agog with anticipation.

I Googled "FBM ASC". It seems that Google don't know anything about it. What does FBM stand for? If you Google "BJGenius007", at least Google will return many articles regarding clumping or beast mode ASM.

**Freightman** · 09-05-2018, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by BJGenius007

I Googled "FBM ASC". It seems that Google don't know anything about it. What does FBM stand for? If you Google "BJGenius007", at least Google will return many articles regarding clumping or beast mode ASM.

FBM stands for Freightman Ball Method. I found several hits.

FBM ASC
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...for-Free/page2

**ummagumma** · 09-05-2018, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Cleavage is also better.

There's a lot to be said for great cleavage

**ZeeBabar** · 09-05-2018, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by cottage cheese

when i do vegas and play 25 dd, my sessions are super short usually (my max bet usually comes out pretty quickly). I've had 15-20 minute sessions where i leave after one shoes after placing my max bet. so i was a little surprised you're able to do 2-hour sessions with no heat. do you have an act/camouflage or am i just being too paranoid?

I have the advantage of playing rated using a player's card. Since I obtained a players card when I started, they assessed me a long time ago and saw no threat. In effect, they often just want to record your wins/losses and let higher ups decide whether to back me off. They let me play. Also, because I do make mistakes, double for less at times, insure for less at other times probably also helps. Then, a 70 year old attracts less attention I guess.

I am in the OSN. I even showed my OSN posting to a pit person and laughed about the fact that while I dont remember where I parked my car, have security drive me all over the place, my wife thinks I need to be tested for Alzheimer, the residents at BJTF having verified that I repeat questions and forget their advice, some dumb casino in the Midwest entered me into the OSN. I often ask the pit for advice on marginal plays. They dont seem to worry about me. They know I am not a regular and last played at their casino 4-6 months ago. All of it helps.

My max bet at DD is only $125 at the $25 tables.

**BJGenius007** · 09-05-2018, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

My max bet at DD is only $125 at the $25 tables.

No threat indeed.

**nighterfighter** · 09-05-2018, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

FBM stands for Freightman Ball Method. I found several hits.

FBM ASC
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...for-Free/page2

Oh, so it doesn't stand for "Fleet Ballistic Missile"..... :P

Zee, thanks for the report. Can I ask why $125 is your max bet at a $25 table? Wouldn't that make more sense for a $10 or $15 table? I'm still new to all this, but doesn't a $25 table min cause you to lose a lot more bets than you can outweigh with a $125 max? Just curious.

**ellenc** · 09-05-2018, 06:03 PM

I think a good cover is to avoid making a killing. So 1-5 spread is just fine. P

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**angle_sh00ter** · 09-05-2018, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by nighterfighter

Zee, thanks for the report. Can I ask why $125 is your max bet at a $25 table? Wouldn't that make more sense for a $10 or $15 table? I'm still new to all this, but doesn't a $25 table min cause you to lose a lot more bets than you can outweigh with a $125 max? Just curious.

He said $25 DD game. I'd still spread to $200 but u don't need to spread as much as u would in a 6 deck game.

**Three** · 09-05-2018, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by ellenc

I think a good cover is to avoid making a killing. So 1-5 spread is just fine. P

Yes. If your goal is longevity, then being viewed as no real threat is important. If your goal is making money then you either damn longevity and stick it out there, or your bets push the casino comfort zone while you do what you can to make them more comfortable about your play.

**Three** · 09-05-2018, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by angle_sh00ter

He said $25 DD game. I'd still spread to $200 but u don't need to spread as much as u would in a 6 deck game.

Zee thinks that they evaluated him and his play is no threat. They evaluated him and decided he was a counter but his spread and max bet are no threat. If he bet more, came more often, and/or spread more all that could change in an instant. Zee doesn't get that it is about his threat level rather than skill level. Most casinos tolerate non-threatening play, at least for a while. Some casinos even back off ploppies just for having a good run.

**cottage cheese** · 09-05-2018, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Three

Zee thinks that they evaluated him and his play is no threat. They evaluated him and decided he was a counter but his spread and max bet are no threat. If he bet more, came more often, and/or spread more all that could change in an instant. Zee doesn't get that it is about his threat level rather than skill level. Most casinos tolerate non-threatening play, at least for a while. Some casinos even back off ploppies just for having a good run.

i thought 1-5 on DD is sufficient? why would they not deem him as a threat? also, do they evaluate everyone upon signing up for a card, or only repeat customers who have a winning record

**Three** · 09-06-2018, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by cottage cheese

i thought 1-5 on DD is sufficient? why would they not deem him as a threat? also, do they evaluate everyone upon signing up for a card, or only repeat customers who have a winning record

A threat plays for stakes that would ruin their day, week or month. It isn't about whether or not you play with an advantage, a threat is about how much you are likely to win and how often you play and how long you play. Most counters are cash cows because, though they play with an advantage, they are not skilled enough at non-counting aspects of play to keep from busting their BR. The casinos know that underfunded counters usually fall into this category. How can they spot an underfunded counter? He plays for small stakes. When can they know the low stakes counter is not underfunded? When he wins enough money from them to make his BR large enough. Most casinos will back you off once you have won enough from them even at small stakes. It is because you have showed you can win and they are sure you now have the BR to avoid ruin.

**ZeeBabar** · 09-06-2018, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by nighterfighter

Oh, so it doesn't stand for "Fleet Ballistic Missile"..... :P

Zee, thanks for the report. Can I ask why $125 is your max bet at a $25 table? Wouldn't that make more sense for a $10 or $15 table? I'm still new to all this, but doesn't a $25 table min cause you to lose a lot more bets than you can outweigh with a $125 max? Just curious.

The lower max bet avoids heat. Also, in a DD game with 65%+ penetration, playing heads up or with one other person, you can win. Moreover, if you place a $100 bet at TC2 and reach your max bet at TC 3, you can win and quite easily. A 1-5 spread can win you in a DD game with liberal rules as in Las Vegas. Here in my state where I sometimes play games where no soft doubling is allowed and you can only double 9-11 or you cannot double after splits, I use a max bet of $150, occasionally a super max of $175 (I usually leave after a super max bet).

For some longevity is important and for others its not.