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    I have one more important questions that need to be asked,
    What happened at the customs border, after declaring that i have more then 10,000$ with me,
    should i explained them that i am a card counter, would they linked this information with the "Casino Network" all over, or with the police ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kripton View Post
    Thanks for that extra info Freightman,
    Do cops can make you get out of your car and make a full body search ?
    What happened if the find my money belt ?
    What do i need to tell them ?
    Did you encountered with that scenario before ?
    -Full body search at side of road, no, they have to arrest you first.
    -Getting out of car, think it depends on the state, I can't accurately tell you which states, since I'm not a Yankee.
    -tell them nothing. Tell them you don't answer questions. You're not obligated to answer.
    -never went through that scenario.

    The above is correct theoretical advice. Practical advice is be very very limited with your responses. Where you've been and where you're going are none of their business. If you tell them you're going to a casino, they know you have money in you. If you tell them you're coming from a casino, they you had money in you, or possibly have a lot of money.

    Cops are not your friend. Their job is to get you to talk, to have you consent to a search if person and car, or create the probable cause necessary to do so without your consent. Your job is to protect yourself, and as much as possible, keep your mouth shut.

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    There a good article about all this on bj21.com, here's the link:
    https://bj21.com/category/more/pages...-cash-seizures

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    Quote Originally Posted by kripton View Post
    Do cops can make you get out of your car and make a full body search ?
    What happened if the find my money belt ?
    I have one of these:
    https://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-C...+lock+lock+box

    It will hold $40K in hundreds. The box itself is locked. The chain is locked to the car itself, either to something in the trunk, or under the seat to a leg of the seat. If a cop does an illegal search and finds it, refuse to open it. A cop cannot open it without a search warrant, which requires him presenting probable cause to a judge.

    Note that this applies only once you are inside the US. At customs, they can ask whatever they want and make you open anything you are carrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I have one of these:
    https://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-C...+lock+lock+box

    It will hold $40K in hundreds. The box itself is locked. The chain is locked to the car itself, either to something in the trunk, or under the seat to a leg of the seat. If a cop does an illegal search and finds it, refuse to open it. A cop cannot open it without a search warrant, which requires him presenting probable cause to a judge.

    Note that this applies only once you are inside the US. At customs, they can ask whatever they want and make you open anything you are carrying.
    Probable cause can be invented if necessary. Anywhere and at anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I have one of these:
    https://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-C...+lock+lock+box

    It will hold $40K in hundreds. The box itself is locked. The chain is locked to the car itself, either to something in the trunk, or under the seat to a leg of the seat. If a cop does an illegal search and finds it, refuse to open it. A cop cannot open it without a search warrant, which requires him presenting probable cause to a judge.
    If they are already searching the car without your consent, that means that they established a probable cause (by dog smell or otherwise). Refusing to open the safe will almost always in that situation leading to the card impounded. So, the safe might be a counter productive as far police search is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    Probable cause can be invented if necessary. Anywhere and at anytime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    If they are already searching the car without your consent, that means that they established a probable cause (by dog smell or otherwise). Refusing to open the safe will almost always in that situation leading to the card impounded. So, the safe might be a counter productive as far police search is concerned.
    Yes, probable cause can be invented, which gives them the right to search. However, you don't have to unlock anything in the car, unless a warrant is issued by a judge. Can there be a crooked judge working with crooked cops? Sure, but less likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Yes, probable cause can be invented, which gives them the right to search. However, you don't have to unlock anything in the car, unless a warrant is issued by a judge. Can there be a crooked judge working with crooked cops? Sure, but less likely.
    Are u gonna unlock your trunk if they threaten to smash your gonads? Yep and that's all the warrant they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    There a good article about all this on bj21.com, here's the link:
    https://bj21.com/category/more/pages...-cash-seizures
    Thanks.

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    Kripton, I'm just curious if this trip is only going to be a blackjack trip or a sight seeing trip as well. A six month blackjack trip seems like a very long time and I know I would have burn out if I ever played blackjack this long without taking a break. I think expenses are really going to eat up most of your profit. Have you planned out the trip at all? Do you have CBJN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kripton View Post
    Thanks for that extra info Freightman,
    Do cops can make you get out of your car and make a full body search ?
    What happened if the find my money belt ?
    What do i need to tell them ?
    Did you encountered with that scenario before ?
    Most traffic stops, they want you to stay in your car. Lots of places to find advice, but simple is roll down windows, shut off the engine, keep your hands visible, and don't move around without letting the officer know what you're doing.

    If you don't blend in, you'll probably get more questions than say, I will, as a clean cut white kid from the suburbs. Don't lie, but don't be overly talkative. Don't consent to searches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelruh View Post
    Most traffic stops, they want you to stay in your car. Lots of places to find advice, but simple is roll down windows, shut off the engine, keep your hands visible, and don't move around without letting the officer know what you're doing.

    If you don't blend in, you'll probably get more questions than say, I will, as a clean cut white kid from the suburbs. Don't lie, but don't be overly talkative. Don't consent to searches.
    One of the main things that has helped me with every traffic stop is "don't lie, and don't move around without telling the officer what you're doing." The real benefit to all of the above is to help the officer feel safe. While they have rules and regulations they have to follow, they have _no idea_ what type of person the guy they just pulled over is. The more you can make them feel safe and easy, the happier the stop will be for everyone.

    "Can I see your license and registration?"; "Yes, my license is in my wallet and the registration is in the glove compartment." He knows exactly where I am reaching and for what.

    These guys pull people over for a living (or at least, that is a big part of their jobs) and they get lied to all the time. They can smell BS like nobody else. I have had much more luck, if pulled over for speeding, telling them exactly how fast I was going and what the speed limit is. "I was travelling at 54mph in a 45mph zone." It shows them that #1 I was paying attention to my driving (I knew my exact speed) and #2 that I wasn't there to lie to them. Which person seems like a more dangerous person on the road, that guy who says he knew exactly what he was doing or someone who says "Oh wow, I didn't realize how fast I was doing" or "I didn't know that was the speed limit"? There are those who say "never admit to doing something illegal," I agree unless it is the basic stuff like that. Truth be told, even if they issue you a speeding citation, you can always show up on the court date and let the judge know you have a perfect driving record, and in fact he officer will tell the judge how cooperative you were and more often than not, the judge will just dismiss it.

    I've never been issued a speeding citation when I'm honest with the officer and straightforward about all of my actions in the car.

    Now, also VERY important is "Don't consent to searches." Just memorize the words, "I do not consent to a search." If they search anyway, certainly do NOT try to physically stop them; they have a gun, you don't, let them do what they want, just make sure you TELL them you do not consent, and call a lawyer if they do anyway. "I'm going to call my lawyer, my cell phone is in my pocket" (remember making sure they know where you're reaching and why). Then you can go to court, explain exactly what happened, and anything the find in the car is inadmissible (unless they had probable cause going into it, which _they_ have to defend). I don't think they can force you to unlock anything in the car without a real warrant, so if they ask you to unlock something, don't. Get a lawyer on the phone.

    If the stop seems to be taking especially long (they're asking more and more seemingly random questions) and you have been cooperative, "Am I free to go?"

    But main thing is, make them feel safe; it sounds odd, but knowing several officers, this is one of their main pieces of advice. They have no clue if you're a crazy murderer or someone normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    "I was travelling at 54mph in a 45mph zone."
    IMO, this is bad advice. You're incriminating yourself. They already know the answer, so why say anything?

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