Clarfication needed on the closed thread about Exoter and Ryemo

[BoSox]

In that thread I made one post #19 that said:

Originally Posted by Norm
Well, my patience has run out. IP banned and reported.



Why do you always have to tell everyone what is supposedly taking place behind the scenes? Should that not be a personal matter and dealt with accordingly? I think it is rather childish behavior in attempting "that is how it appears" to influence others who are for the most part uninformed, and often take a neutral position, into taking sides like a sandlot pickup game. You are like the house, who makes all the decisions, regardless of whatever the rest of us think anyway, it does not matter.


Originally Posted by Norm
Damned if I know why RS and Bosox support this guy.



I can only speculate about whom you are talking, and would rather not respond to conjecture.

Continuing:

I was not talking about Ryemo, he was not banned!

Ryemo, not for one second did I ever think you outed anyone I have too much respect for you to think that. Evidently, part of the above quote by me was taken out of context on another site, and I want to clear this up now.

Because it is people like you, and 21frome that keep me returning. I do not agree with all the bashing you are both receiving.

[Three]

What you should think about is that when you have insider knowledge on something you get to rate a site and posters. Is the site not worth your time because all its speculative posts are BS and wrong. What about that vetting of individual posters. When they speculate do they say it is speculation or try to lead you to believe it is a fact. After all you know it is false. learning not to listen to toxic and unreliable people and sights will be a very healthy move and help you learn faster. When they start talking about people it is not like BJ where sims paint comparisons in black and white and casino play is a different matter with so many variables to interact into your counts strengths and weaknesses. There are areas of opinion when talking about people but some things are just facts. You know the difference in many cases and can use that to vet who is worth listening to and who you should ignore. You an apply that to forums as well.

[BoSox]

I like the fact that Norm tells us when someone is banned and why.

Midwest Player, you do realize there are two sides to every story. You like the fact that you are hearing an incomplete story. Sorry, I am not impressed.

Now I think there have been a few posters who should not have been banned. I do think Norm has a heavy hand on that ban button.

You are far from being fully informed to pass judgment. What we see on the BJTF boards themselves is not always the complete picture, far from it. Some things should remain private, to prevent the members from picking sides, and try to stay neutral. However, what does take place on the boards themselves is more than enough to keep us busy.

Is the site not worth your time because all its speculative posts are BS and wrong. What about that vetting of individual posters. When they speculate do they say it is speculation or try to lead you to believe it is a fact. After all you know it is false.

Three, since you brought it up, how do you yourself meet the standard? One member of that site has a statement at the end of any post that involves you which says:

"After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL"

How do you respond to this quote, was he speculating?

[Three]

How do you respond to this quote, was he speculating?

Of course I play BJ. And I have played a lot of BJ in my lifetime than any other game. I just know many AP opportunities and pursue the most lucrative one depending on casino conditions each time I show up. If none are to my liking I either scout or move on. Well I might wait a bit if previous scouting says it would make finding something worth playing likely. These people have no idea what I do. They have invented a history etc that never existed. Now you have to ask what their motivation to do this is. I will leave that to you to figure out. It is clear they are trying to make people believe I don't know anything about BJ with those statements. Why would they want to make people believe such a lie? Are they a one trick AP that only knows one play so they are jealous of more versatile APs and feel the need to belittle those with more skills than they have worked to have?

[BoSox]

It is clear they are trying to make people believe I don't know anything about BJ with those statements. Why would they want to make people believe such a lie?

No, I do not believe that is true at all since some of them are former members here they have seen first hand what myself and others here have also found out to be very true. Some threads on this board that were strictly all about blackjack you often opined in those threads about successes you have had, without one mention "for a long time going" that those successes were often the result of playing Spanish 21, not blackjack. What else can you call it but deception? For whatever reasons is beyond me.

Why would they want to make people believe such a lie?

Three, I will ask you why did you keep that information private for so long?

[Three]

Some threads on this board that were strictly all about blackjack you often opined in those threads about successes you have had, without one mention "for a long time going" that those successes were often the result of playing Spanish 21, not blackjack. What else can you call it but deception? For whatever reasons is beyond me.

Yes, I did that. Like all my nuggets, that everyone find so valuable I make them vague. The reason why should be obvious. The casinos feel SP21 was a tough enough game to beat that it needed no protection and they are right in most cases. They don't feel that way about BJ. If you can't fill in the blanks then you don't understand what you should not post about. But I did continue to kill BJ during that same time transferring techniques from game to game. the techniques just were't worth as much in BJ. I only posted results because those people were trying to say I never play for significant stakes or won much so I posted my winnings for card counting. I never actually said it was for BJ, I said I made it counting cards. They made that assumption. Whenever I specifically said BJ I was talking about BJ. I tried really hard to be consistent with that. When I said counting cards it could include BJ or SP21 or Switch or Superfun-21 etc. When I said BJ it was BJ. Most likely I made a mistake at some point. And there was a point when I was protecting the game. So you can have my expertise on sensitive stuff not many people know about encrypted or you can have no access to it in order to protect the game. I try to get people to think about doing research for themselves in fruitful directions. I don't expose revolutionary new ideas on an open forum in a way to expose the play. It is your choice of no information or clues to get you thinking outside the box and getting an edge the casinos don't know about. I have been too sharing on that front and it pisses the people off that want the opportunities protected and it pisses the people off that want things handed to them. I have news for the latter, things that are handed to them are no longer cutting edge. As long as they are cutting edge advantages the casino is clueless about it is protected by everyone on the inside.

I hope this can make you understand. In retrospect I shouldn't have tried to be helpful to others. It had a lot of risk for exposing new opportunities and I caught a ton of shit from almost everyone. I have learned my lessen and have a research project well underway and a couple more waiting in the wings for groundbreaking new opportunities and you can bet I will not share any info on the open forum because of all the shit I caught from trying to both share what I was comfortable with while protecting myself and the new opportunities I had innovated.

Since the incidents that you are referring to many years ago I had a few new innovations that I didn't share that I would have in one case just handed to people and in other cases cryptically steered people who do their own research in a new direction for promising research. These detractors have cost those that would benefit from my work a lot already and will continue to cost them in the future. Research takes a lot of time. Some I can do myself. Those that help me doing the rest of my research only have so much time they can invest in helping me. I owe them a lot and appreciate all their time and help. They know who they are. I can't thank you all enough for your help and discretion. Thank you very much.

[BoSox]

Yes, I did that. Like all my nuggets, that everyone find so valuable I make them vague. The reason why should be obvious. The casinos feel SP21 was a tough enough game to beat that it needed no protection and they are right in most cases. They don't feel that way about BJ. If you can't fill in the blanks then you don't understand what you should not post about.

In the last sentence in the above quote is just one line of a familiar pattern that you like to use when someone gives you a question that you find offensive. After all, you are above scrutiny and should never have to account for yourself in any way, as this should already be understood. Well in BoSox's mind I think you expect and demand the spotlight far much too often. I also think you like to brag, and do not realize everyone else does not care either way. I believe your above story about protecting the other game that you were playing with a higher EV edge, but there is no excuse whatsoever that you could not have made that very clear without spilling the beans. You by saying things like the following:

never actually said it was for BJ, I said I made it counting cards. They made that assumption.

That's right, and who made most of those assumptions? Mostly new players learning the game, they suddenly had a hero which was fine by you. Your self-centeredness gets in the way every time, who cares if the new guys are not completely informed right Three.

But I did continue to kill BJ during that same time transferring techniques from game to game. the techniques just were't worth as much in BJ.

Speaking of those techniques you use, those are a private system developed by you completely unpublished that is only known and shared with a very few close friends correct? Obviously talking about or bragging about your results was rather meaningless to the rest of the board and still is.

[Three]

That's right, and who made most of those assumptions? Mostly new players learning the game, they suddenly had a hero which was fine by you. Your self-centeredness gets in the way every time, who cares if the new guys are not completely informed.

First of all nothing I posted gave anyone my method. I posted info that gave people inspiration for new research if they were so inclined. A few contacted me privately and I was frank with them from the start and helped them as much as I could in parallel development. I don't want a following and have spent considerable time making myself look like an idiot on the forum to try and keep that from happening.

Speaking of those techniques you use, those are a private system developed by you completely unpublished that is only known and shared with a very few close friends correct? Obviously talking about or bragging about your results was rather meaningless to the rest of the board.

Exactly. How can a player be damaged when they have no system to follow. I made them think outside the box which would lead to some of them rising to potentials they otherwise wouldn't. That is all I have tried to do. Help people exceed the potential they otherwise would have had. I know with quite a few I was successful in this. But I can't be expected to help everyone in that way. I know you have read the posts from the players that played for years with just Hilo and the I18 because they were told it was all they needed. They took that as they shouldn't aspire for more. It was only intended to indicate it was a starting point. Once they are ready, they can expand on that, but some people didn't understand that is what people meant when they chose their words poorly. Did you (the general/plural sense of the pronoun) help them by choosing your words poorly and not mentioning that you should always be looking to find ways to improve your edge? Who in fact did the damage? The one that inspired them to increase their edge or the one that told them all they needed was the I18 and Hilo causing them to make no further effort to increase their edge?

[BoSox]

Did you (the general/plural sense of the pronoun) help them by choosing your words poorly and not mentioning that you should always be looking to find ways to improve your edge?

Yes possibly, very rare if I did, 99.99% of my post is still here for looking.

Who in fact did the damage? The one that inspired them to increase their edge or the one that told them all they needed was the I18 and Hilo causing them to make no further effort to increase their edge?

My answer to the first question is I will not judge but have you not deleted possibly 3,4 or 5 times more post than the whole amount I actually made?

Answering the second question that is a wrongful implication directed at me.

[Three]

Answering the second question that is a wrongful implication directed at me.

Not directed at you. It was an observation about a number of posters that I couldn't name if I tried. In deleting posts my goal was to delete the ones with sensitive information. I didn't do it surgically so collateral damage is inevitable. The posts you speak of are mixed in with the ones I was trying to delete and would have been collateral damage if I was successful. I don't know if I ever hit the right time line so the posts may still be there. If I did get the ones I was trying to delete in that series of posts, the posts you are speaking of are probably also deleted as my technique was to delete all the posts during the time I was making posts that revealed too much. I was shooting for the posts about my system and some other sensitive posts where I revealed knowledge that you can't find anywhere else. Obviously that would be the same time frame. I can't say for certain my attempts ever found the time line I was looking for. I deleted a lot of other posts where I revealed to much on other topics in other time lines. I risk a lot revealing sensitive stuff that I tried to hide as vague references buried in long wordy posts. People keep saying my most valuable post series (in the plural sense of the word) for info that you won't find anywhere else are worthless. If they don't appreciate their value then I don't want to have just negative exposure to the casinos so deleting them is the only thing that made sense. I doubt the casinos figured or will figure anything out but why take the chance.

[BoSox]

Three, thanks for the responses. I have become tired and weary of belonging to boards as I have pretty much already said everything I have wanted to say as well as hear not only on this site but also as being a former paid member on Wong's site for many years. BJTF will be my final stop for posting about blackjack anywhere. This just happens to coincide with my feelings for the declining of the good games themselves. I now value my time much more important than any supplemental income I could make. I am still going to hang around on the site for a while, as well as continuing to play occasionally considering there are and will be plenty more casinos in close proximity of my home location.

[spiderman]

I never actually said it was for BJ, I said I made it counting cards. They made that assumption. Whenever I specifically said BJ I was talking about BJ. I tried really hard to be consistent with that. When I said counting cards it could include BJ or SP21 or Switch or Superfun-21 etc. When I said BJ it was BJ.

THIS is simply NOT true. There is no other way to say this than you are being dishonest. You made claims, during discussion about regular BJ, that were just not mathematically possible, one of which RS alluded to, results 5X better than traditional counters. A number of experienced players challenged you on these claims. That would have been the time to clarify that some of these claims were NOT pertaining to regular blackjack, but rather a BJ variation. YOU NEVER CLARIFIED THAT.

You now claim, years later, that clarifying that some of your claims were about a BJ variant, SP21, rather than BJ and that revealing that then, may have been an identifying issue, simply is not fair to all the members (in good standing at the time) who were involved.

And none of this is speculation. The record is still there. You are attempting to change the record in an effort to save face.

[Three]

It is funny how many banned members make socks to come back and post here. We can read your opinions on the site that makes up me as a member and makes false posts in my name and act like it is me making them. If the people there are okay with that or stupid enough to believe it, why should we take them seriously when they come back here posting under a sock. You would think that some of these socks would not start their first day of their posting history with BS like this. I will say it is possible I did this but I always try really hard to never ever lie. I know I was deceptive about this to protect opportunities but I tried really hard to never lie. If I decided to cross that line it was not for long. I don't remember crossing it but I may have. Also I pmed various members with the whole story. They were sworn to secrecy of what was written and explained what I was trying to protect but within a day quotes from the exchanges were being posted by many people I never sent it to. I learned who can be trusted with privileged info and who can't. Some swear their reputation is unimpeachable concerning secrecy and discretion in relationships. Obviously they have many people fooled into trusting them. What they did defeated the whole purpose of what I was trying to protect. And it did affect the quality of games and the heat level in the region for a while just like I feared it would. I didn't have any issues with this but other APs' ability to earn was affected a lot. That confirmed I was right to worry about protecting a great AP opportunity for any APs. But my methods to do so may not have been right. I regret sharing any of my advancements in field of AP play and what I had to do to protect a lot of APs' income sources. I learned to never share anything of great value with anyone other than the closest people in my network whether online or offline. It was all card counting and has its applications in many games. Early on I didn't realize how much weaker it was for BJ because, for quite a while, I was on a great run using it in BJ and had me earning many multiples of my EV for Hiopt2/ASC. Plus software took a long time to catch up to paint a better picture. At first, the software gave barely had enough info to make a go of it with my ideas.

If you can't understand what happened I don't know what to say. Many others have done things that are far worse. I don't buy into the defense that because others did wrong it is okay for me to do it so I won't list any of them. We all have our regrets in life. There are many aspects of what happened that I regret. Only a handful of APs contacted me and where helped by me to start their own research. I was totally open and honest with them. It seems they were all trustworthy with keeping things secret. I am the one that knows more than anyone else about it. I am being honest and open about what I remember. Everyone should get over it.