Why many players fail at attempting full time play.

**ellenc** · 03-05-2018, 07:15 AM

While many comments on the suject factors. The object matter is that the casino would back you off if you are really good at it.

**Freightman** · 03-05-2018, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by ellenc

While many comments on the suject factors. The object matter is that the casino would back you off if you are really good at it.

In a lot of sweat shops, you do t have to be very good - at all.

**stopgambling** · 03-05-2018, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bushie

I always suggest reading biographies/memoirs of professional APs. There's not one that I know of who didn't have a primary income alongside their supplementary BJ income when starting out.

but those are the ones that writes about it . i am certain that there are some that did not go this route. Actually , reading the words again it almost had to be true cause you need to have all your living expenses taken care of before you can play. I would think the other situations are not as glamourous.

**Freightman** · 03-05-2018, 10:31 AM

Moses said
" My son was 17. He finally beat the old man in the 440. It was like hearing a freight train come up from behind me. But that was an significant moment. I was very proud of him yet realized I couldn't do what I once could do. Sort of a good news bad news thing. You will have many moments like this thereafter. I'm sorry but your time will be wasted sitting at a blackjack table building the necessary EV to sustain you later in life."

Same thing with my son, except it was chess. I never ever let him win. So, when he did beat me, he knew he had deserved it. A whoop and a holler - he was excited. Builds character, and is a large if what he is today. Good life lessons for your kids.

**tomf23** · 03-05-2018, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Moses said
" My son was 17. He finally beat the old man in the 440. It was like hearing a freight train come up from behind me. But that was an significant moment. I was very proud of him yet realized I couldn't do what I once could do. Sort of a good news bad news thing. You will have many moments like this thereafter. I'm sorry but your time will be wasted sitting at a blackjack table building the necessary EV to sustain you later in life."

Same thing with my son, except it was chess. I never ever let him win. So, when he did beat me, he knew he had deserved it. A whoop and a holler - he was excited. Builds character, and is a large if what he is today. Good life lessons for your kids.

I agree it's a great life lesson. My dad did the same thing with me in basketball and stickball.NEVER let me win.Now obviously when I was 7 he could have blocked every shot i took if he wanted to and didn't but there was no way in hell he was letting me win.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 03-05-2018, 11:42 AM

Sir Roger Bannister died [3/3/18] at age 88
In 1954 he became the first person to run a
sub-4 minute mile (3:59.4)

He was much more proud of his
accomplishments as a neurologist.

His record has been broken 13 times.

The current record for a mile was set in 1999.

**Freightman** · 03-05-2018, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

Sir Roger Bannister died [3/3/18] at age 88
In 1954 he became the first person to run a
sub-4 minute mile (3:59.4)

He was much more proud of his
accomplishments as a neurologist.

His record has been broken 13 times.

The current record for a mile was set in 1999.

The 4 minute barrier, at the time, was considered impossible to overcome.
From a google search

The IAAF is the official body which oversees the records. Hicham El Guerrouj is the current men's record holder with his time of 3:43.13, while Svetlana Masterkova has the women's record of 4:12.56. Since 1976, the mile has been the only non-metric distance recognized by the IAAF for record purposes.

Amazing.

**ZeeBabar** · 03-05-2018, 02:48 PM

Talk about hijacking threads and finding excuses to slip in about how great an athlete or parent the great AP's are here. Yet they blast someone for asking if someone should split a pair of 9's against a 9 or for repeating a BJ question asked before.

**MJGolf** · 03-05-2018, 02:54 PM

Not many Tommy Hylands in the world; who got to do it their own way mostly AND play golf. If there was one to aspire to in this arena, he was/is it. Not that he didn't have any set backs through the years. Just think it's a much different game than it was during that time. Never knew that I had played through the Golden Years of Blackjack and didn't realize it at the time. Seems like teams are only way to make it a profession, unless your income needs are very, very low.

**moses** · 03-05-2018, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Talk about hijacking threads and finding excuses to slip in about how great an athlete or parent the great AP's are here. Yet they blast someone for asking if someone should split a pair of 9's against a 9 or for repeating a BJ question asked before.

Happy now dick breath? You missed the point. Doesnt surprise me.

Not like we haven't read your endless Las Vegas trip crap and choked on your lifestyle and belief system.

Originally Posted by Ryemo

I think in order to play full time successfully you need a few things:

1) First, and most obvious, is be well funded. I don’t think 100 max bets will suffice in this situation.
2) Keep a very low RoR. Preferably under 2%.
3) Keep your expenses in check (personal and travel).
4) Play a lot of hours!
5) Keep your cover (costing EV) and tokes in check.
6) Build a network.
7) Try to lower your N-Zero as much as you can, whether it means widening your spread or playing better games.

If you lack in one or more of these categories, then try to compensate for it somewhere else. Example: if you have a hard time logging a ton of hours every year, then I think your focus should be on playing games with a very low N-Zero and try to keep your ROR as close to 0% as you can. You’ll need to keep your personal expenses very low too. If your bankroll isn’t as big as you’d like, then I think your goal should be to grind out an insane amount of hours, drop all cover and NEVER tip. Bankroll survival is your biggest concern at this point, not longevity. Tell me how your longevity looks when you bust out...

Idealy, every full time player wants to fit all of these categories, but if you can’t meet all those requirements, then you’ll need to make up for it somewhere else. I’m sure I missed a couple things, but this is what came to mind at the top of my head.

O brother. What a phony! Of course you gained all this knowledge in just 3 years. You get kicked out of your own city and claim to get 86ed twice a week. You get to Vegas maybe 3 times a year for 2 to 3 days. Yet you claim to leave your family and your business for weeks at a time.

Who the hell are you to be giving advice? Yet it all just continues to prosper. Who the hell are you Barrry Seal?

**Freightman** · 03-05-2018, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Talk about hijacking threads and finding excuses to slip in about how great an athlete or parent the great AP's are here. Yet they blast someone for asking if someone should split a pair of 9's against a 9 or for repeating a BJ question asked before.

My new word for the day is "nuggets".
You have again brought up the concept of repetitive justification. Your comments are nuggets of irrelevance.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 03-05-2018, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

"nuggets of irrelevance."

Let us think for a moment about the connotations of "nuggets."

Irrelevance denotes negativity, while nuggets connote positivity.

Note: I am always available for proof-reading and editing.

**Freightman** · 03-05-2018, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by moses

Good point Flash. Feighter could just shorten it to "crap" and eliminate 3 words.

Or, the phrase "poo nuggets of irrelevance" would more properly align the conceptual aspect.

I do thank Flash for his usual excellence of verbal contortion and gymnastics. The greatest form of flattery is imitation, and I must confess that some of his "nuggets" have found their way into my repertoire.