T count simulation

[APGuru]

Ustonzen never said he plays 75% pen shoe games. So either you put words in his mouth to create a straw man (a tactic of someone that can't argue the issue with facts). Or you play 75% pen shoe games. I gave you the benefit of doubt that you could actually argue your point with facts rather than making some emotionally driven false argument. Thank you for correcting me on that point.

Now I'm really done replying to you. i NEVER said he plays 75% games. Please go re-read what I said. You have serious reading comprehension issues or maybe you're just trolling me at this point. You take words out of context and quote it and make it seem I was redirecting something to someone when I wasn't. You're pathetic.

[Three]

Face it, no matter how many cards you can side count in a shoe game, the shoe is simply too diluted with so many cards that there will never be a big enough surplus or deficit in a certain card denomination to make 'accurate' play decisions add any significance to your EV.

You do't just get gain from when the cards are out of whack, using more powerful information increases the slope of the gain in EV as your index is exceeded. Meaning you get more on every decision. In other words there is value in knowing the important cards are at normal levels for the number of unseen cards. Each decision TC bin gets stronger which results in a steeper gain in EV per decision TC increment above the index. It is about certainty or another way of looking at it the accuracy of your decision. Like the Insurance Count could be looked at as Hiopt1 with an adjustment for an A,2,7,8,9 group side count. Without the side count adjustment IC is just .85 but with the group side count adjustment IC is 1.0. You don't get that gain just when the side count is far from 0. You get that insurance decision gain on all your insurance decisions. That is because the decision is now based on better information that gains EV faster after a lower and easier to reach index is passed. The less correlation of the information gathered to the decision EoR's the less frequent the strategy deviation and the less EV for the instances the deviation is made. That is each instance. Your count doesn't know the deck composition it just knows the TC of the deck composition.

Side counting the ace doesn't do jack $hit.

Hiopt2 with the ace side count just used for betting, without the playing strategy deviations, is 7% higher EV than without the ace side count. More if you also do strategy deviations. If you earn $100K a year that is an extra $7 per year. If you play 15 years that is over an extra $100K. And that is without using the information to adjust playing decisions. It is very short sighted to think of that as nothing.

You guys try to reinvent the wheel to try and act smart, but you can't. If you find a deeply dealt pitch game, then that's a different story, but please dont try to spread misinformation to fake players on this forum and get them all worked up on side counting every single card before even setting foot in a casino. I don't recall telling them to do anything. I put forth the facts for them to decide for themselves. It is those that tell take the decision from them by telling them it isn't worth it that are forcing opinions on them.

These new players don't know and understand the game and all you're doing is making them waste precious time and precious EV, by sitting at home learning something that will maybe add a couple of dollars to their win rate.

If they don't know or understand the game they shouldn't be in the casino playing. They should be at home studying. It is those that rush the players out before they are ready that do the disservice.

Lastly you're saying maybe I dont understand what im doing with counting to begin with? This is coming from the same guy that says at negative counts he has an advantage when tens come out and that those are advantage rounds.

You obviously didn't understand what I wrote I said any round that has a lot of face cards coming out was an advantage round. That is something nobody can deny. The problem is if the count was negative you didn't get to bet anticipating an advantage round. That still doesn't change the fact that it was an advantage round. You also bet big into disadvantage rounds that had the count rise. Over time these rounds cost you a lot but you don't have a crystal ball so you bet into them in anticipation of an advantage round. With more accurate betting decisions you can shave a little off the losses to negative count rounds bet in positive counts.

Sure they're advantage rounds when you get a 10 as your first card, but in the long run you betting into a negative count before the round starts, you will see a lot more small cards as your first card thus putting you at a negative IBA. You're the fool here, so just stop the nonsense.

You bet before you get any cards. It is a fallacy to view being dealt a T or A as a first card after you have already bet and can't change your bet can be used to your advantage (it is advanced knowledge that you will get either first card that is worth something since you then can adjust your bet. BJ is a game of matchups. It is about your first 2 cards and the dealers up-card. Only after those are revealed does your advantage assessment change because it is when you can change something. That something is how you get to play your hand. If you get a 6 on that T it is a liability not an asset. If the dealer has an A or T up almost any 2 cards are a liability.

I wish someone took a shine to you to teach the fallacious concepts out of you.

[Three]

Now I'm really done replying to you. i NEVER said he plays 75% games. Please go re-read what I said. You have serious reading comprehension issues or maybe you're just trolling me at this point. You take words out of context and quote it and make it seem I was redirecting something to someone when I wasn't. You're pathetic.

A statement that what the worst or poor games offered are relevant to your play implies that they will be played. If they are not played then it is the same as if they didn't exist. If you don't understand you being the first one to bring them up as if anyone would feel compelled to play them implies you are referencing your own play, then you aren't communicating well. If you don't understand what implies means look it up in a dictionary. If you didn't mean to imply such a thing why bring otherwise irrelevant information up in the first place.

[Three]

Is that wager about APGuru actually being ZK still open Freighter? I could use an easy sawbuck.

[Freightman]

Is that wager about APGuru actually being ZK still open Freighter? I could use an easy sawbuck.

Not anymore. Would have lost. I’ll buy a beer though. Good Canadian beer like Alexander Keith’s.

why do u bother with the hopeless. I have no inclination to inflict self pain.

[davethebuilder]

Tarzan,

Good luck with the simulation. I hope it all works out as you have obviously put a lot of work into this. Aunt Libby would be proud.

[DSchles]

"It is a fallacy to view being dealt a T or A as a first card after you have already bet and can't change your bet as having an advantage . ..."

Clearly, you don't mean what you say! Of course, it's still an advantage! AFTER the bet is made (say $100), the dealer deals everyone his first card and yours is an ace. STOP right there! I offer to buy your ensuing hand, whatever it turns out to be, before seeing the dealer's upcard, or before you get your second card. Would you take ten bucks for it? 20? 30? Now, if that first card were a six, would you accept those amounts?

So, clearly, what you've written makes no sense at all.

[Freightman]

"It is a fallacy to view being dealt a T or A as a first card after you have already bet and can't change your bet as having an advantage . ..."

Clearly, you don't mean what you say! Of course, it's still an advantage! AFTER the bet is made (say $100), the dealer deals everyone his first card and yours is an ace. STOP right there! I offer to buy your ensuing hand, whatever it turns out to be, before seeing the dealer's upcard, or before you get your second card. Would you take ten bucks for it? 20? 30? Now, if that first card were a six, would you accept those amounts?

So, clearly, what you've written makes no sense at all.

This reminds me of classic Woody Allan circa 1972 Everything you wanted to know about Sex but we're afraid to ask.

https://youtu.be/nM3fglmaRrA

Stop, stop, it's just a blow job.

[moses]

Typically, a thread is started about the Tarzan count and then we only hear from his "friends" who are experts but use a different count. Then they start spouting about their count to make the work of others seem less significant which Norm has already stated he doesn't want.

I'll give credit where it's due. Tarzan has worked very hard at his craft. He clearly comes from the college of U dontgiveup. Bottling and selling his work may well be another story. T3 has a better way. Flash can't perform it. The whole thing begins to lose credibility when Tarzan doesn't speak up for himself and others who don't use it make themselves out to be experts. Like every count, it has its holes.

Don S. You're simply amazing. You provide answers to questions that never once entered my head in all the years. What the hell do I care which card I get first? It's what I do after I receive the two cards is what is within my control.

[Three]

Clearly, you don't mean what you say! Of course, it's still an advantage! AFTER the bet is made (say $100), the dealer deals everyone his first card and yours is an ace. STOP right there! I offer to buy your ensuing hand, whatever it turns out to be, before seeing the dealer's upcard, or before you get your second card. Would you take ten bucks for it? 20? 30? Now, if that first card were a six, would you accept those amounts?

It is not an advantage because you can make no action until after the second card is dealt. As much as you might want to stop the dealer after the first card is dealt so you can buy or sell your hand that is not going to happen. And if you did that many casinos would not even allow such a transaction anyway. The game must be viewed as segments from on possible action to another. We all know for betting it doesn't matter what spot you play. You all make a bet at the same time and can't make a decision until after all the cards are dealt. If they did allow you to take action after the first card is dealt, then getting an A or T as a first card would give you the advantage of taking an action based on that information. But that is not how the game is played. The next action after betting is offered after you get 2 cards and the dealer gets an up-card. You could say on average you are in good shape but that is of no actual value to you because you can't act on the information. What you propose is not how the game is played.There is no value for the first card as no action can be taken on that information. Only after you get your second card and the dealer gets an up-card do you get to act on the current information.

The cards dealt after betting and before playing decisions are made can be viewed as being dealt in any order or simultaneously and nothing changes since no action can be taken until the initial deal is completed. That is how the game of BJ is dealt and played. Is a second card a T make a first card 6 valuable? You can view the cards as dealt in any order. So why would the first card a and the second card a 6 be any different? Only after you see both cards and the dealers up-card does anything change for you.

[Freightman]

It is not an advantage because you can make no action until after the second card is dealt. As much as you might want to stop the dealer after the first card is dealt so you can buy or sell your hand that is not going to happen. And if you did that many casinos would not even allow such a transaction anyway. The game must be viewed as segments from on possible action to another. We all know for betting it doesn't matter what spot you play. You all make a bet at the same time and can't make a decision until after all the cards are dealt. If they did allow you to take action after the first card is dealt, then getting an A or T as a first card would give you the advantage of taking an action based on that information. But that is not how the game is played. The next action after betting is offered after you get 2 cards and the dealer gets an up-card. You could say on average you are in good shape but that is of no actual value to you because you can't act on the information. What you propose is not how the game is played.There is no value for the first card as no action can be taken on that information. Only after you get your second card and the dealer gets an up-card do you get to act on the current information.

The cards dealt after betting and before playing decisions are made can be viewed as being dealt in any order or simultaneously and nothing changes since no action can be taken until the initial deal is completed. That is how the game of BJ is dealt and played. Is a second card a T make a first card 6 valuable? You can view the cards as dealt in any order. So why would the first card a and the second card a 6 be any different? Only after you see both cards and the dealers up-card does anything change for you.

Your first card, if a face, should give you a tingle. If your first card is an ace, you should get a schtickel. That's the way it is, and if You don't, you're playing to much blackjack.

If either of those cards are your first card, bet your biggest max. Your advantage is significant. Now, what happens on your second card is a different issue. The overall point is that the first card is SIGNIFICANT.

Put yet in a different perspective - I'll pay close attention if my first card is a face or ace. Might be inclined to scratch my balls if my first card is a 6 or 7.

[moses]

Your first card, if a face, should give you a tingle. If your first card is an ace, you should get a schtickel. That's the way it is, and if You don't, you're playing to much blackjack.
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The hooker was ask if she smoked after sex. She replied "gee, I dunno, I never looked."

Put yet in a different perspective - I'll pay close attention if my first card is a face or ace. Might be inclined to scratch my balls if my first card is a 6 or 7.

This is where T3 utilizes the opportunity to trick the pit by showing his nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lENb6OzabPs

[Freightman]

The hooker was ask if she smoked after sex. She replied "gee, I dunno, I never looked."

This is where T3 utilizes the opportunity to trick the pit by showing his nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lENb6OzabPs

Reminds me of the psychiatrist watching his patient run into his office wearing nothing but Saran Wrap. The Dr. Cried out - I used to think you were crazy, but now, I can see you're nuts.