# Thread: Any BJ counting system that can achieve 0.8 playing efficiency ?

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## Any BJ counting system that can achieve 0.8 playing efficiency ?

or even higher ? LOL

HI-OPT 2 - PE = 0.67
USTON APC - PE = 0.69

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Multiparameter systems can achieve that sort of PE, with a high degree of difficulty. These systems are often based on the Heath count or HiOpt 1.

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Originally Posted by James989
or even higher ? LOL

HI-OPT 2 - PE = 0.67
USTON APC - PE = 0.69
Many counts can get higher if they use more information than just the basic count. It is said with just pitting one group of cards against another the best you can get is 0.70. But if you factor in side counting you can get into the 0.90's if you gather enough additional information and know how to use it. Start with an already pretty high PE count (Basically any ace neutral count) and work from there.

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Yes...read pages 59, 60 of Griffin's book...multi-parameter counts give up to 0.89 PE...but you need to be a high IQ, dedicated Asperger to accomplish it!!!

Chucky baby

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Originally Posted by chucky baby
Yes...read pages 59, 60 of Griffin's book...multi-parameter counts give up to 0.89 PE...but you need to be a high IQ, dedicated Asperger to accomplish it!!!

Chucky baby

I am not so worry how difficult the systems is because I am using a program to count cards.

I have read the Griffin's book but I can't really understand his explanations. Could you please show me how to use the multi-parameter counts ?

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I apologize for the poor formatting

The highest P.E. that a dedicated highly intelligent person can employ is:

Gordon w/All Side Counts P.E. = .922

• • • • • • •
Subject: Re: Gordon w/ All Side Counts
From: Abdul Jalib <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:17:19 PST
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.blackjack.moderated
Old-Message-ID: <[email protected]> Organization: Positive Expected Value, Unlimited
References: <[email protected]>

[email protected] writes:
>
> Does anyone know where to get the complete strategy tables for the
Gordon
> count (2,3,4,5=+1, 10=-1), with side counts of Ace, 6, 7, 8, and 9?
>
> I heard this was the most powerful card counting system.
>
> If you can actually master it (wouldn't be easy). You have betting
correlation
> of .98 and an amazing playing efficiency of .922!
>
> I would like to know if anyone has ever used this system in actual
casino
> play, and are the complete strategy tables in print anywhere?
I don't know if anyone has ever used it, but I'll bet you my entire
bankroll (except one penny of course that someone somewhere sometime
has used it. I think the following could be the Gordon Count's first
adjustments using a modified version of the "bj-strat" program. Then
I'll give the multiparameter adjustments for all the side counts.
Risk Averse Main Count Strategy Adjustments
===========================================
............................Cards: 2345678910Ace
Values: 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1 0
1 deck, no double on splits, dealer hits soft 17
Hit/Stand Strategy
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace

...
...
...
...
-4
3
6 12 Hit Hit
...
...
...
8
Hit
Hard 21
Hard 20
Hard 19
Hard 18
Hard 17
Hard 16
Hard 15
Hard 14
Hard 13
Hard 12
Soft 21
Soft 20
Soft 19
Soft 18
Soft 17
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
-18 -19 -20 -18 -20 -18 -11 -12 -15
-7 -8 -9 -10 -11 6 6 3 0 -5 -7 -8 -9 -11 10 11 8 5 -3 -4 -6 -7 -10 14 Hit Hit Hit -1 -2 -4-5-7 Hit Hit Hit Hit
3 2 0 -1 -3 Hit Hit Hit Hit
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
-10 -12 -10 -11 -12 -18 -8 Hit 15
Hit Hit Hit Hit Hit 15 Hit Hit Hit
Surrender Strategy
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
...
...
...
...
3
-4
-1
5
Hard 21 Hard 20 Hard 19 Hard 18 Hard 17 Hard 16 Hard15 Hard 14
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 16 11 ... ... ............ 3 0 -3 ..................730 .................. 14 8 3

16 ...
Hard 13
Hard 12
... ... ... ... ... ... ... 17 8
... ... ... ... ... ... ... 18 13
Double Down Strategy
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
4
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
Hard 11
Hard 10
Hard 9
Hard 8
Hard 7
Hard 6
Hard 5
Hard 4
Soft 20
Soft 19
Soft 18
Soft 17
Soft 16
Soft 15
Soft 14
Soft 13
-9 -10 -11 -12 -13 -7 -4 -3 -3
-8 -9 -10 -11 -12 -6 -3 -1 7
1 0 -2 -4 -6 3 8 ... ...
15 11 7 4 2 13 ... ... ...
... 18 12 9 7 ... ... ... ...
... ... 15 12 10 ... ... ... ...
... ... 17 13 11 ... ... ... ...
... ... 18 13 12 ... ... ... ...
12 11 8 6 4 16 ... ... ...
11 6 4 2 -1 17 ... ... ...
3 -1 -11 -12 -14 ... ... ... ...
2 -4 -9 -14 -14 ... ... ... ...
... 8 -2 -6 -12 ... ... ... ...
17 6 -1 -3 -6 ... ... ... ...
12 7 11 7
0 -2 -4 ... ... ... ...
3 0 -2 ... ... ... ...
Pair Split Strategy (non risk averse)
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sPair 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
Ace,Ace -10 -11 -12-12-14-9-8-8-8 -5

...
1
-2
...
...
...
...
...
...
10,10 1296431219......
-1 -2 -3 -5 -6 8 split split -20*
split split split split split split split 8* 3*
split split split split split split -7* -14* -16*
-2 -4 -7 -9 -10 -2* -9* -19* ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... -20* -20* ... ...
9,9
8,8
7,7
6,6
5,5
4,4
3,3
2,2
7 4 -1 -6 -5
9 5 -2 -7 -8
split -16* ... ...
split -14* -20* -19*
===================================
You can improve your strategy by using side counts. That's what is
Of course, side counts will give you headaches for multiple decks,
but then you don't get much for strategy adjustments on multiple
decks anyway, so then you might switch to High-Low or Zen or Halves, or
perhaps just keep a side count of aces.
Strategy adjustments are worth *beaucoup* on deeply dealt single
deckers.
In fact, very deep in the deck, strategy adjustments are worth much
more
than ranging your bet according to the count. You can find a deeply
dealt
single decker by choosing the right casino and/or by choosing the right
number of players (e.g., 2 rounds of 7 sitting towards third base.)
Below, the only columns that really make sense to use are A, 6, 7, 8,
9,
i.e., the cards which Gordon counts as 0. For example, look at the
very first line of the table, the "0" in the top left corner.
If you have 17 versus dealer ace then excess observed aces should be
counted +0 (i.e., as if they were a neutral card.) That was easy, eh?
But look at the "1" under the 7-column. This means that excess
observed
sevens should be counted as +1 (i.e., as if they were a small card for
the purpose of this decision.) If you have seen 3 sevens in half a
deck, then you saw one excess seven over the average. After
adjustment tables. So excess observed sevens will make you less likely
to hit 17 vs. ace (probably because it's that much less likely that the
dealer has a pat 18 to try to beat.)
The columns are for the card being side counted. Some of the
numbers, particularly for splitting, seem a bit wacky and probably

are erroneous. This table was generated using hand typed data from
_Theory of Blackjack_ (and a simple program to process these data)
and so human error is possible in some of the values. Use at your
own risk. You can and should reformat the data by hand into the
format used in _World's Greatest Blackjack Book_. You have thus far
paid me insufficient funds (my records indicate a total of \$0.00 to
date) to do this grunt work for you or to do the extra work necessary
to figure out where the wacky values are coming from. See _World's
on multiparameter counts.
For example of how to reformat, you would have an ace adjustment table
that looked like this:
DEALER UPCARD
HAND 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A
17+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +2 +3 +2 +1 0
16+1 +1 +1 0 +1 +1 +1 +1 0 0 etc
And then a separate table like that for each of the other cards you
wish to side count. With this count, it would be a good idea to
side count 6's 7's and 8's in one group, for maximum bang for brain
cells. You can do this by averaging their adjustment values.
[There is no more plain text after this point, just tables of numbers,
so you may wish to skip the rest of this article. Remember, the
columns
below are the side count cards.]
DEALER A
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 1 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 -1
0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 2 3 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 3 3 -1 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 1 3 3 3 -2 -2
-1 0 0 0 0 3 3 3 3 -2
DOUBLING 11-10
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 2 3 0 0 -2 0 1 0 -1
SPLITTING (99)(88)(77)(66)(33)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-6 -2 2 1 1 3 1 1 5 -2
-2 0 0 2 2 -2 0 2 2 -1 -87-71-89-65 64 78241 38 60-42 1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -3 -4 0 -4 2 8 7 3 -13 -14 -11 10 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1

DEALER 10
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 2 3 -2 -2 -1 1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 2 -1 1 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 3 1 0 -1 -1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 7 0 -1 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 1 6 6 -2 -3 0-1-1-1-1 0 4 5 6 -3
DOUBLING 11-10
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
-2 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 14 7-2-1 -1 -5 -2 1 0
SPLITTING (88)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 -1 -1
1 0 -3 -1 0 4 7 7 -2 -3
1 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 5 5 -3
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
DEALER 9
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 3 3-2 -2 -2 -2 0 -1 1 1 1 2 2 -1 -2 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 2 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 2 3 3 0 -1 -2 0 0 -1 -1 0 2 3 8 -2 -3 0 0 -1 -1 -1 0 2 8 7 -3
DOUBLING 11-10
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 45 6 -1 -1 -2 -3 -6 -4 0
SPLITTING (99)(88)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-2 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 2 0 -1 -1 -8-14-12 -5 23 34 36 -6-12 0-3 0-1-1-2 1 10 8 -3 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1

DEALER 8
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
3 3 3 3 -2 -2 -2 -3 -2 0
1 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -2 0 -1
1 0 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 0 -1
1 0 0 1 2 2 3 -3 -1 -1
1 0 0 -1 1 3 3 3 -1 -2
0 -1 -1 -2 -1 1 3 3 8 -3
DOUBLING 11-9
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
0 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 33 3 0 0 -1 -1 -2 -3 -1
SOFT DOUBLING 18
31 44 48-28-29-24-20-14-35 7
SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-3 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1
1 2 3 4 -4 -5 -6 5 4 -1
1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -2 -2 0
-1 20 35 23 2-46-56-54 6 18 2 -5 -5 -6 -8 -2 6 25 26 -8 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1
DEALER 7
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 2 2 0-1-1-1-1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -1 -2 -2 -2 0 1 1 2 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -1 1 0 1 2 2 2 2 -3 -3 -1 1 0 0 1 2 2 2 3 -4 -2 1 -1 -1 -1 0 2 3 3 3 -3
DOUBLING 11-8
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 2 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
HITTING SOFT 17
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

2 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A7)(A6)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-3 -8 -9 9 7 6 5 4 -2 -2
1 -1 -1 0 5 3 1 0 -2 -2
SPLITTING (99)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-7 -3 2 3 1 3 4 2 -1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -3 0 -1 12 14 13 -2-21-26-25 7 7 -13 3 21 39 15 -2-12-60-60 17 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
DEALER 6
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
1 -1 -1 2 3 1 1 0 0 -1
1 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 -1
2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
2 1 1 1 1 -2 0 0 -1 -1
2 2 1 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
2 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -2 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
2 2 2 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 2 2 -1 -1 -1 0 -1
1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2 -2 -1
DEALER 5
HITTING 17-12

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
-1 -1 2 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
-1 -1 -1 2 3 3 1 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 3 3 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 3 0 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -2 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 2 2 1 1 0 -1 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 2 2 1 -1 -1 0 -1
0 1 1 2 2 2 0 -1 -2 -1
DEALER 4
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 2 0 -1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 2 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1

-1 -1 1 2 2 1 1 0 -1 -1
-1 -2 -2 3 3 3 3 1 0 -2
1 -1 -1 0 3 3 3 0 -1 -2
2 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 -1 -2
2 1 1 1 1 0 2 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2
0 0 1 2 2 1 0 -2 -1 -1
-1 0 1 3 3 3 2 -4 -5 0
DEALER 3
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 2 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
-1 -1 1 2 2 2 1 1 -1 -1
-1 -3 -4 3 3 3 3 3 0 -2
1-1-2-2 4 4 4 4-1-2 3 -1 -1 0 0 4 4 4 -1 -3 2 1 0 1 1 0 2 2 -1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 -1 -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 2 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1-1-2-2 5 5 3 4 -2 -2 0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 0 -2 0 0 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 1 1 5 7 6 2 -8 -19 1
DEALER 2

HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 -1
1 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
0 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
-1 -2 1 1 2 2 2 1 0 -2
-1 -3 -5 2 4 4 3 3 2 -2
1 -2 -3 -4 4 4 4 4 4 -3 4 -1 -2 -3 -2 6 5 5 4-4 3 1 0 -1 0 -1 2 2 2 -2 2 1 1 0 1 0 -1 1 1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 1 2 1 1 1 0 -1
-3 -3 -3 -4 5 7 5 6 4 -4
0 0 0 -1 1 2 3 2 2 -2
0 0 1 1 2 0 -1 -2 1 -1
-1 2 2 5 7 5 0 -12 -15 2

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## P.e. .922

I apologize for the lack of proper formatting.

Gordon w/ All Side Counts

Subject: Re: Gordon w/ All Side Counts
From: Abdul Jalib <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:17:19 PST
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.blackjack.moderated
Old-Message-ID: <[email protected]> Organization: Positive Expected Value, Unlimited
References: <[email protected]>

[email protected] writes:
>
> Does anyone know where to get the complete strategy tables for the
Gordon
> count (2,3,4,5=+1, 10=-1), with side counts of Ace, 6, 7, 8, and 9?
>
> I heard this was the most powerful card counting system.
>
> If you can actually master it (wouldn't be easy). You have betting
correlation
> of .98 and an amazing playing efficiency of .922!
>
> I would like to know if anyone has ever used this system in actual
casino
> play, and are the complete strategy tables in print anywhere?
I don't know if anyone has ever used it, but I'll bet you my entire
bankroll (except one penny of course that someone somewhere sometime
has used it. I think the following could be the Gordon Count's first
adjustments using a modified version of the "bj-strat" program. Then
I'll give the multiparameter adjustments for all the side counts.
Risk Averse Main Count Strategy Adjustments
===========================================
Cards: 2345678910Ace
Values: 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1 0
1 deck, no double on splits, dealer hits soft 17
Hit/Stand Strategy
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace

...
...
...
...
-4
3
6 12 Hit Hit
...
...
...
8
Hit
Hard 21
Hard 20
Hard 19
Hard 18
Hard 17
Hard 16
Hard 15
Hard 14
Hard 13
Hard 12
Soft 21
Soft 20
Soft 19
Soft 18
Soft 17
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
-18 -19 -20 -18 -20 -18 -11 -12 -15
-7 -8 -9 -10 -11 6 6 3 0 -5 -7 -8 -9 -11 10 11 8 5 -3 -4 -6 -7 -10 14 Hit Hit Hit -1 -2 -4-5-7 Hit Hit Hit Hit
3 2 0 -1 -3 Hit Hit Hit Hit
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
-10 -12 -10 -11 -12 -18 -8 Hit 15
Hit Hit Hit Hit Hit 15 Hit Hit Hit
Surrender Strategy
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
...
...
...
...
3
-4
-1
5
Hard 21 Hard 20 Hard 19 Hard 18 Hard 17 Hard 16 Hard15 Hard 14
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 16 11 ... ... ............ 3 0 -3 ..................730 .................. 14 8 3

16 ...
Hard 13
Hard 12
... ... ... ... ... ... ... 17 8
... ... ... ... ... ... ... 18 13
Double Down Strategy
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
4
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
Hard 11
Hard 10
Hard 9
Hard 8
Hard 7
Hard 6
Hard 5
Hard 4
Soft 20
Soft 19
Soft 18
Soft 17
Soft 16
Soft 15
Soft 14
Soft 13
-9 -10 -11 -12 -13 -7 -4 -3 -3
-8 -9 -10 -11 -12 -6 -3 -1 7
1 0 -2 -4 -6 3 8 ... ...
15 11 7 4 2 13 ... ... ...
... 18 12 9 7 ... ... ... ...
... ... 15 12 10 ... ... ... ...
... ... 17 13 11 ... ... ... ...
... ... 18 13 12 ... ... ... ...
12 11 8 6 4 16 ... ... ...
11 6 4 2 -1 17 ... ... ...
3 -1 -11 -12 -14 ... ... ... ...
2 -4 -9 -14 -14 ... ... ... ...
... 8 -2 -6 -12 ... ... ... ...
17 6 -1 -3 -6 ... ... ... ...
12 7 11 7
0 -2 -4 ... ... ... ...
3 0 -2 ... ... ... ...
Pair Split Strategy (non risk averse)
Dealer's Upcard
Player'sPair 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
Ace,Ace -10 -11 -12-12-14-9-8-8-8 -5

...
1
-2
...
...
...
...
...
...
10,10 1296431219......
-1 -2 -3 -5 -6 8 split split -20*
split split split split split split split 8* 3*
split split split split split split -7* -14* -16*
-2 -4 -7 -9 -10 -2* -9* -19* ...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ... ... ... ... -20* -20* ... ...
9,9
8,8
7,7
6,6
5,5
4,4
3,3
2,2
7 4 -1 -6 -5
9 5 -2 -7 -8
split -16* ... ...
split -14* -20* -19*
===================================
You can improve your strategy by using side counts. That's what is
Of course, side counts will give you headaches for multiple decks,
but then you don't get much for strategy adjustments on multiple
decks anyway, so then you might switch to High-Low or Zen or Halves, or
perhaps just keep a side count of aces.
Strategy adjustments are worth *beaucoup* on deeply dealt single
deckers.
In fact, very deep in the deck, strategy adjustments are worth much
more
than ranging your bet according to the count. You can find a deeply
dealt
single decker by choosing the right casino and/or by choosing the right
number of players (e.g., 2 rounds of 7 sitting towards third base.)
Below, the only columns that really make sense to use are A, 6, 7, 8,
9,
i.e., the cards which Gordon counts as 0. For example, look at the
very first line of the table, the "0" in the top left corner.
If you have 17 versus dealer ace then excess observed aces should be
counted +0 (i.e., as if they were a neutral card.) That was easy, eh?
But look at the "1" under the 7-column. This means that excess
observed
sevens should be counted as +1 (i.e., as if they were a small card for
the purpose of this decision.) If you have seen 3 sevens in half a
deck, then you saw one excess seven over the average. After
adjustment tables. So excess observed sevens will make you less likely
to hit 17 vs. ace (probably because it's that much less likely that the
dealer has a pat 18 to try to beat.)
The columns are for the card being side counted. Some of the
numbers, particularly for splitting, seem a bit wacky and probably

are erroneous. This table was generated using hand typed data from
_Theory of Blackjack_ (and a simple program to process these data)
and so human error is possible in some of the values. Use at your
own risk. You can and should reformat the data by hand into the
format used in _World's Greatest Blackjack Book_. You have thus far
paid me insufficient funds (my records indicate a total of \$0.00 to
date) to do this grunt work for you or to do the extra work necessary
to figure out where the wacky values are coming from. See _World's
on multiparameter counts.
For example of how to reformat, you would have an ace adjustment table
that looked like this:
DEALER UPCARD
HAND 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A
17+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +2 +3 +2 +1 0
16+1 +1 +1 0 +1 +1 +1 +1 0 0 etc
And then a separate table like that for each of the other cards you
wish to side count. With this count, it would be a good idea to
side count 6's 7's and 8's in one group, for maximum bang for brain
cells. You can do this by averaging their adjustment values.
[There is no more plain text after this point, just tables of numbers,
so you may wish to skip the rest of this article. Remember, the
columns
below are the side count cards.]
DEALER A
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 1 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 -1
0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 2 3 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 3 3 -1 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 1 3 3 3 -2 -2
-1 0 0 0 0 3 3 3 3 -2
DOUBLING 11-10
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 2 3 0 0 -2 0 1 0 -1
SPLITTING (99)(88)(77)(66)(33)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-6 -2 2 1 1 3 1 1 5 -2
-2 0 0 2 2 -2 0 2 2 -1 -87-71-89-65 64 78241 38 60-42 1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -3 -4 0 -4 2 8 7 3 -13 -14 -11 10 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1

DEALER 10
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 2 3 -2 -2 -1 1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 2 -1 1 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 3 1 0 -1 -1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 7 0 -1 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 1 6 6 -2 -3 0-1-1-1-1 0 4 5 6 -3
DOUBLING 11-10
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
-2 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 14 7-2-1 -1 -5 -2 1 0
SPLITTING (88)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 -1 -1
1 0 -3 -1 0 4 7 7 -2 -3
1 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 5 5 -3
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
DEALER 9
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 3 3-2 -2 -2 -2 0 -1 1 1 1 2 2 -1 -2 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 2 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 2 3 3 0 -1 -2 0 0 -1 -1 0 2 3 8 -2 -3 0 0 -1 -1 -1 0 2 8 7 -3
DOUBLING 11-10
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 45 6 -1 -1 -2 -3 -6 -4 0
SPLITTING (99)(88)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-2 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 2 0 -1 -1 -8-14-12 -5 23 34 36 -6-12 0-3 0-1-1-2 1 10 8 -3 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1

DEALER 8
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
3 3 3 3 -2 -2 -2 -3 -2 0
1 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -2 0 -1
1 0 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 0 -1
1 0 0 1 2 2 3 -3 -1 -1
1 0 0 -1 1 3 3 3 -1 -2
0 -1 -1 -2 -1 1 3 3 8 -3
DOUBLING 11-9
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
0 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1
HITTING SOFT 18
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 33 3 0 0 -1 -1 -2 -3 -1
SOFT DOUBLING 18
31 44 48-28-29-24-20-14-35 7
SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-3 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1
1 2 3 4 -4 -5 -6 5 4 -1
1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -2 -2 0
-1 20 35 23 2-46-56-54 6 18 2 -5 -5 -6 -8 -2 6 25 26 -8 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1
DEALER 7
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 2 2 0-1-1-1-1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -1 -2 -2 -2 0 1 1 2 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -1 1 0 1 2 2 2 2 -3 -3 -1 1 0 0 1 2 2 2 3 -4 -2 1 -1 -1 -1 0 2 3 3 3 -3
DOUBLING 11-8
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 2 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
HITTING SOFT 17
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

2 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A7)(A6)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-3 -8 -9 9 7 6 5 4 -2 -2
1 -1 -1 0 5 3 1 0 -2 -2
SPLITTING (99)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-7 -3 2 3 1 3 4 2 -1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -3 0 -1 12 14 13 -2-21-26-25 7 7 -13 3 21 39 15 -2-12-60-60 17 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
DEALER 6
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
1 -1 -1 2 3 1 1 0 0 -1
1 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 -1
2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
2 1 1 1 1 -2 0 0 -1 -1
2 2 1 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
2 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -2 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
2 2 2 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 2 2 -1 -1 -1 0 -1
1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2 -2 -1
DEALER 5
HITTING 17-12

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
-1 -1 2 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
-1 -1 -1 2 3 3 1 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 3 3 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 3 0 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -2 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
0 2 2 1 1 0 -1 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 2 2 1 -1 -1 0 -1
0 1 1 2 2 2 0 -1 -2 -1
DEALER 4
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 2 0 -1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 2 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1

-1 -1 1 2 2 1 1 0 -1 -1
-1 -2 -2 3 3 3 3 1 0 -2
1 -1 -1 0 3 3 3 0 -1 -2
2 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 -1 -2
2 1 1 1 1 0 2 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2
0 0 1 2 2 1 0 -2 -1 -1
-1 0 1 3 3 3 2 -4 -5 0
DEALER 3
HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1 -1
1 1 1 2 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
-1 -1 1 2 2 2 1 1 -1 -1
-1 -3 -4 3 3 3 3 3 0 -2
1-1-2-2 4 4 4 4-1-2 3 -1 -1 0 0 4 4 4 -1 -3 2 1 0 1 1 0 2 2 -1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 -1 -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 2 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1-1-2-2 5 5 3 4 -2 -2 0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 0 -2 0 0 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 1 1 5 7 6 2 -8 -19 1
DEALER 2

HITTING 17-12
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 -1
1 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 -2
DOUBLING 11-7
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
0 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
-1 -2 1 1 2 2 2 1 0 -2
-1 -3 -5 2 4 4 3 3 2 -2
1 -2 -3 -4 4 4 4 4 4 -3 4 -1 -2 -3 -2 6 5 5 4-4 3 1 0 -1 0 -1 2 2 2 -2 2 1 1 0 1 0 -1 1 1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 1 -1
SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
-1 0 1 1 2 1 1 1 0 -1
-3 -3 -3 -4 5 7 5 6 4 -4
0 0 0 -1 1 2 3 2 2 -2
0 0 1 1 2 0 -1 -2 1 -1
-1 2 2 5 7 5 0 -12 -15 2

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Heres Hi-opt 1 with Ace and 7 param chart..

https://www.blackjackreview.com/wp/a...eck-blackjack/

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Originally Posted by Jack Jackson
"Hi-opt 1 with Ace and 7 param chart."
Thanx muchly for this.

I play pitch games using Hi-Opt II with Ace and Seven Side Counts.

This is not as strong, but it is rather easy.

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Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash
Thanx muchly for this.

I play pitch games using Hi-Opt II with Ace and Seven Side Counts.

This is not as strong, but it is rather easy.

This is the best calculator for online BJ : https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...nd-calculator/

PERFECT PLAY ! PLAYING EFFICIENCY = 0.9999 ! LOL

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Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash
Thanx muchly for this.

I play pitch games using Hi-Opt II with Ace and Seven Side Counts.

This is not as strong, but it is rather easy.
It looks like with HO1 the A/7 side-cuont brings your pe. up to about .736 and with the 8 params it raises to about .811..

Hey Zen, can i ask if youve ever played or seen "face-up" DD blackjack? And if not,(for this reason alone) do you prefer to play heads-up to reduce the amount of un-seen cards when playing with others?

Oh. And in case you havent seen this yet..Theres some good info here under casino listings that may be beneficial to you and/or others...
https://www.blackjackreview.com/wp/casino-listings/

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Originally Posted by Jack Jackson
"Hey Zen, can i ask if youve ever played or seen "face-up" DD blackjack?
...do you prefer to play heads-up to reduce the amount of un-seen cards
when playing with others?"
Over the years I have played a great deal of
of Double Deck BJ both face-up and face-down;
but not for the reason you state. I don't have a
problem "counting by inference."

In 2016 I played face-up BJ for just 108 hours.

Heads-up play is always my preference.

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Originally Posted by moses
Hey Don S. Why are players worrying about something very difficult to define that no longer exists?
What no longer exists? Playing efficiency? It exists but isn't sufficient by itself to estimate the attractiveness of a particular count. SCORE incorporates more parameters.

Don

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