Need some advice

[MWRIGHT13146]

Yes. I am thinking of going early this week. However, your description of the
available BJ games is insufficient. Does the dealer stand or hit on Soft 17?
Are these 8 deck games? Is there a High Limit room/pit? Can you split to
3 or 4 hands? Do they require 2 X minimum bets to play 2 hands? Are there
5 or 6 or 7 betting spots per tables?

As a semi-retired veteran Pro BJ Player; unlike most, I spend an enormous
amount of time meeting wannabee A.P.'s in casinos (and my home) to mentor
them.

Sorry for the insufficient information I was only answering the questions you had asked.

-hit soft 17
-6 decks
-yes there is a high limit room
-can split anything but Aces up to 4 times. Aces only once and get one card only.
-2x minimum to play 2 hands unless you are playing by yourself
-they have both 6 and 7 spot tables

Let me know when you are coming would love to pick your brain and learn a some things!!!


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[ZenMaster_Flash]

MWRIGHT13146,

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[MWRIGHT13146]

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MWRIGHT13146,

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We can communicate.
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[ZenMaster_Flash]

Sounds like a typical poor (modern) blackjack game.

H17 shoe games need to compensate for a high House Edge.

Without Late Surrender / Deep penetration / Resplit Aces

the game is essentially a "losing proposition."

Whenever you are asked for "table conditions" your first

thought has to be how deep are they dealing the game.

That factor dominates all others for playing blackjack.

[MWRIGHT13146]

Sounds like a typical poor (modern) blackjack game.

H17 shoe games need to compensate for a high House Edge.

Without Late Surrender / Deep penetration / Resplit Aces

the game is essentially a "losing proposition."

Whenever you are asked for "table conditions" your first

thought has to be how deep are they dealing the game.

That factor dominates all others for playing blackjack.

Most of the dealers are penetrating a deck or less


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[Exoter175]

I like to have a fast game too. I will take moderate pen if the game is really fast. The key is how fast you approach n0. Deep pen lowers the number of rounds to reach n0 a lot and a fast game gets you through the rounds a lot faster so you can reach a higher n0 faster. I like to hit a certain number percentage of n0 (at least 1/3rd n0) in a trip. If deep pen is really crowded and modest pen is empty I can often hit the percentage of n0 for the game with a less pen much faster. In my view those conditions would make giving up some pen for faster game speed the better choice. If you reach your n0 fast swings don't seem as bad because they tend to be erased quickly. When you have to live way down for a long time the same swings will feel more severe. By making things seem more favorable you increase your confidence level.

This quote 50,000 times over.

[Banker]

I like to have a fast game too. I will take moderate pen if the game is really fast. The key is how fast you approach n0. Deep pen lowers the number of rounds to reach n0 a lot and a fast game gets you through the rounds a lot faster so you can reach a higher n0 faster. I like to hit a certain number percentage of n0 (at least 1/3rd n0) in a trip. If deep pen is really crowded and modest pen is empty I can often hit the percentage of n0 for the game with a less pen much faster. In my view those conditions would make giving up some pen for faster game speed the better choice. If you reach your n0 fast swings don't seem as bad because they tend to be erased quickly. When you have to live way down for a long time the same swings will feel more severe. By making things seem more favorable you increase your confidence level.

I think if you are not reaching your max bet due to moderate penetration your No will not be comparable.

[Exoter175]

I think if you are not reaching your max bet due to moderate penetration your No will not be comparable.

They won't be, that's the point. Its worthwhile to raise your n0 slightly, if it means getting there much faster.

[Three]

I think if you are not reaching your max bet due to moderate penetration your No will not be comparable.

Most people don't bet very accurately until their max bet is out. My system bets very accurately throughout my bet ramp. Even with deep pen i don't make many max bets. I bet into advantage earlier than others because my count can detect it. The frequencies of all my lower bets are a lot higher than other systems. Other systems disadvantage bets that are actually advantage bets are promoted and over bet situations are demoted. The result is I get an bigger advantage 1 TC lower than traditional Hiopt2. The only difference is I use a different ace side count. It is a balanced side count so I don't need to make 1/4 deck accuracy for my deck estimations to get the full value of the side count. The deck estimation used by any ace reckoned count is fine. I use 1 dec accuracy until 3 decks left and the half deck accuracy until 1 deck and I try to use 1/4 deck accuracy below 1 deck. I am not very good at 1/4 deck accuracy below a deck left so playing pen that deep my playing and betting accuracy will suffer greatly. The places that give extreme pen know at deep pen poor deck estimation accuracy will really mess up counters os those that give it use every trick to make deck estimation harder and harder the deeper you go. I won't list the tricks they use, for obvious reasons, but there are over a half dozen of them. The frequency of every advantage bet for my version of Hiopt2 is much higher until, you get to max bet which I make less frequently for the same pen. The result is a slightly higher EV, lower SD, and lower n0. The swings that crush people (and make their day) at max bet more often are in a higher frequency lower betting bin because they were overbet when looked at by a CDA. So I get a higher EV with smaller swings along the way due to the swings being tied to smaller bets a lot of the time rather than max bet. Each double and split lost when bet more appropriately at a lower bet has less of a potential for damage when the dealer sweeps 5 to 10 midrange bets rather than max bets. That means I have a tighter probability cone around the projected EV as rounds are played.

Anyway the main point is most people don't get what they expect at deep pen because they aren't accurate enough at deck estimation to make accurate bets and more importantly accurate plays in shoe games. Of course if you are accurate despite all the things casinos do to throw accuracy off you should be close to what the sim says. I honestly prefer not having to go to quarter deck estimations but if the extreme pen is there and the speed is there I still play it over good pen despite understanding the pitfalls. Honestly my most consistent and very strong results are with a deck to a little more than a deck and a half cut off. Results get crazy at deeper pen and I think I alluded to why.