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    Best cure when on a losing streak and losing patience and discipline?

    Been hot for about 5 months... in fact never faced back to back losing sessions in over 50 sessions played. Finally hit some variance and lost 3 in a row. Actually 3 in 2 days and started losing patience and discipline ans started over betting.

    I already know the best answer: TAKE A BREAK.

    Just wondering if there were any other small things i could do to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm7lp View Post
    Been hot for about 5 months... in fact never faced back to back losing sessions in over 50 sessions played. Finally hit some variance and lost 3 in a row. Actually 3 in 2 days and started losing patience and discipline ans started over betting.

    I already know the best answer: TAKE A BREAK.

    Just wondering if there were any other small things i could do to help.

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    The math is the math. You've been on the right side if the bell curve for 5 months. Three losses in a row is to be totally expected. Seriously, don't sweat it. There will far worse swings for you.

    Prelim thoughts
    50 sessions, no back to back losses means a minimum win rate north if 50%. Don't know your bankroll or your stakes. Clearly you are not seasoned. Regardless, with those stats, you do have some talent, though the sampling is small. Keep grinding away doing whatever it is that you're doing. Keep a responsible eye in your roll and your risk of ruin. Study, work hard, pick up tricks where you can. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    The math is the math. You've been on the right side if the bell curve for 5 months. Three losses in a row is to be totally expected. Seriously, don't sweat it. There will far worse swings for you.

    Prelim thoughts
    50 sessions, no back to back losses means a minimum win rate north if 50%. Don't know your bankroll or your stakes. Clearly you are not seasoned. Regardless, with those stats, you do have some talent, though the sampling is small. Keep grinding away doing whatever it is that you're doing. Keep a responsible eye in your roll and your risk of ruin. Study, work hard, pick up tricks where you can. Good luck.
    Thanks freightman. I did a little counting back in college but never had the roll back then to be serious. Picked it up afain last octobee. I get obssessed with things so I studied pretty hard.

    BR 90k (pure profit BR) i play $100 min games. I think i recorded like 40 wins 7 losses and 2 draws in first 5 months over 120 hours then i lost 3 in a row and found myself overbetting so i think im gonna take a 2 or 3 week hiatus

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm7lp View Post
    Thanks freightman. I did a little counting back in college but never had the roll back then to be serious. Picked it up afain last octobee. I get obssessed with things so I studied pretty hard.

    BR 90k (pure profit BR) i play $100 min games. I think i recorded like 40 wins 7 losses and 2 draws in first 5 months over 120 hours then i lost 3 in a row and found myself overbetting so i think im gonna take a 2 or 3 week hiatus

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    wow you ran super hot!

    it's smart to take a break now bc of the mind set you're in.
    but 3 sessions is nothing.you need to develop a much stronger stomach for this and trust the math.
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    I didn't think losing streak could last as long as they can I've been in one for the last few months. I felt it was my play but in reality it was just a cards wasn't fall on my way. But what I did to seem to help is number one I took a break then when I went back to my local stores I changed my hours shorten my bank for my sessions and I tried to go to other places around my area a little bit more I had to travel but it all worked out a change of place I mean everything good luck to you my friend things will change we had to just hang on but don't push it it's not falling your way take a break for a while I was pushing it I lost half my bankroll almost but I'm on the rebound

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney112 View Post
    I didn't think losing streak could last as long as they can I've been in one for the last few months. I felt it was my play but in reality it was just a cards wasn't fall on my way. But what I did to seem to help is number one I took a break then when I went back to my local stores I changed my hours shorten my bank for my sessions and I tried to go to other places around my area a little bit more I had to travel but it all worked out a change of place I mean everything good luck to you my friend things will change we had to just hang on but don't push it it's not falling your way take a break for a while I was pushing it I lost half my bankroll almost but I'm on the rebound

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    Thanks barney. Wow half your BR thats scary. I think i might go nuts if that happened to me. Start throwing huge wagers on black haha

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    90k pure profit on 120 hours is absolutely huge. Your numbers tell me you've extremely lucky so far. Think about your current min bet in relation to your bankroll, factor in ROR calculations and consider reducing your bet structure. You started with a Hail Mary, 90k is no longer Hail Mary. Protect yourself accordingly. If you don't have CVCX yet, get it.

    You clearly have some talent - develop it, hone it. Your investment of time and study today will pay huge dividends. You don't have to immediately set the world on fire. So far, nicely done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    90k pure profit on 120 hours is absolutely huge. Your numbers tell me you've extremely lucky so far. Think about your current min bet in relation to your bankroll, factor in ROR calculations and consider reducing your bet structure. You started with a Hail Mary, 90k is no longer Hail Mary. Protect yourself accordingly. If you don't have CVCX yet, get it.

    You clearly have some talent - develop it, hone it. Your investment of time and study today will pay huge dividends. You don't have to immediately set the world on fire. So far, nicely done.
    Thats another question. Ive dugged around and found different answers. What is 1% RoR for a min 100 game? Ive seen 90k. Ive seen "professional bankroll" being 100k. Ive seen another 13,400 units which is 134k. Ive also seen 100 max bets which at a 1-12 ramp is 120k.

    What is appropriate BR for 1% RoR????

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm7lp View Post
    Thats another question. Ive dugged around and found different answers. What is 1% RoR for a min 100 game? Ive seen 90k. Ive seen "professional bankroll" being 100k. Ive seen another 13,400 units which is 134k. Ive also seen 100 max bets which at a 1-12 ramp is 120k.

    What is appropriate BR for 1% RoR????

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    All games are different. BR for one game with a 75% pen and 1-12 spread is different than BR required for a 70% game or an 80% game....or a 1-10 spread or 1-16 spread.

    Get CVCX and play with the numbers. See what you like and what suits you. If you don't know what your BR needs to be to play with a 1% ROR, then you likely don't have CVCX and you likely don't know your EV, SCORE, etc.
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    I wouldn't be too concerned with RoR until the br reaches six figures. Many poker pro have tapped out numerous times in their quest for autonomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    90k pure profit on 120 hours is absolutely huge. Your numbers tell me you've extremely lucky so far. Think about your current min bet in relation to your bankroll, factor in ROR calculations and consider reducing your bet structure. You started with a Hail Mary, 90k is no longer Hail Mary. Protect yourself accordingly. If you don't have CVCX yet, get it.

    You clearly have some talent - develop it, hone it. Your investment of time and study today will pay huge dividends. You don't have to immediately set the world on fire. So far, nicely done.
    Agree. Good advice.

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    Whenever I have a substantial loss, I take a moment to evaluate my play. I look for any cracks or room for improvement. The loss is probably just variance, but I want to be sure it's not me. You'll have losses worse than three sessions eventually. Walk away if you're digging in and over betting. Always play with a clear head.

    I think other's advice of looking into your RoR is wise. Make sure you're not over betting your BR.

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    The real question is "why do we tilt" and the answer is a build up of emotion. So what you should do is acknowledge your emotions. When you find yourself getting frustrated say to yourself "it is natural to get frustrated when I experience bad luck but in the long run if I keep playing a winning game I will get the money". See Jared Tendler's 'The Mental Game of Poker' for more on this subject. Taking a break will help in that the built up emotion can take some time to dissipate but it is better to learn how to control your tilt.

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