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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    T3. Which of the following deck compositions would you consider whacky? Tarzan. Which ones are considered not good betting opportunities in your count?
    Tens, 89s,67s,25s Aces are the cards played in single deck
    743 12 2 TC+10
    6469 3 TC+8
    3537 2 TC+5
    563 10 2 TC+10
    864 10 2 TC+4
    4447 2 TC+4.5
    334 10 3 TC+14
    5549 1 TC+13
    865 10 2 TC+6
    7368 2 TC+6
    5147 0 TC+7
    965 11 2 TC+5.5
    Hopefully I got that right, I had to flop it around to something I can interpret. They are all positive counts calling for big bets, max bets... Duh, let me see... the TC+14, what to do, what to do... What is the purpose of asking this? Those are all normal compositions seen in highly positive counts. How about something truly wacky, using your numbers, something like 9-0-0-6-3 or 2-6-7-1-2 just to be adventurous or something? What is the difference? What do you make of these deck compositions you listed? Also, the TC I estimated is based on an even distribution within the {2-5} grouping... only 16 cards played, wouldn't you know if you'd seen any (4,5) or not? This impacts TC. Where are you going with this, what purpose does this serve you? Are you questioning when to slap your max bet out there or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    My understanding was you didnt bet a column that is more rich thananother column.
    ?????? I'm not even sure what that means. Your shot at being profitable in that shitty Reno game is smacking down max bets when you get counts like the ones depicted. At a 1-2 spread you are playing a darn near break even game no matter what count you may be using, it is that bad.

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    moses,

    I have not found many (any?) Tarzan posts here or on other AP websites by which he provides much detail on his bet spreading/ramping techniques.

    If I am reading your posts correctly, and his comments about your need in Reno for a large bet spread when you experience advantageous TCs, it appears that his sharing of such detail might be of considerable benefit to you (you utilize an alternative method of card counting through column tracking), and others interested in learning more about the perceived strengths of his Tarzan Count.

    Although Tarzan has not yet (?) printed/released his system, he has provided many posts here and elsewhere over the past few years explaining his counting method, and the superior information at hand by virtue of knowing the composition of the card groupings remaining to be played, I would cherish the opportunity to hear from him firsthand here, how he would bet the hand combinations moses listed, knowing the limitations of the Reno rules that moses endures. I suspect others would appreciate attending that lecture series as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    I was under the impression that Tarzan does not be large unless 10s are at ground zero.
    Friends don't let friends drink and type on forums.Hahaha "I was under the impression", "I think", "I believe" are all preludes to saying things that may be incorrect. I be large or I be small depending upon what the TC dictates I be, with the max be being just up to what I think is tolerable in the environment. For that game you are playing, you need to be dialed into some sort of optimal bet ramp and you seem a little fuzzy on this. You're scaring me. I would have to look at it much closer because of the d10 and no DAS to see what else can be done but I'd be tracking everything and come up with what appears to be an optimal betting ramp first and foremost. Go look at Don's charts for the game you are playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Okay. Tarzan count 8- 0- 2 means he has seen 8 more 2-5s than 6- 9s. He has also seen 2 more 10s than 6- 9s. Does this mean you are making a larger bet or staying close to a minimum because the deck is richest in 6- 9s?
    In an even distribution, RC+5.3, a positive count although there are a few surplus {6-9}. I am betting what the TC dictates I bet for the betting ramp I am using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    So Tarzan still puts more money on the table even though a deck could be more rich in middle cards than high cards.
    If you noticed his betting RC was a decimal. That is because it accounts for the middle cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Yes. Middle cards are counted as 1/3. So if a count is actually 6- 3- 0, Tarzan would calculate as 6- 1- 0 for BC. The beauty is he can still give the 6- 9s a full point for PE decisions. I'm not sure how he subdivides the middle into 2 groups without actually counting. How do you divide zero by 2? The total 89s and 67s represent half of the amount in the 25s and 10s in the beginning.
    So if a count is actually 6-3-0, Tarzan would calculate it as 6-3-0. There are multiple ways to break down the {6-9} grouping with all paths requiring counting, all paths leading to Rome. How do you come up with some of the stuff you say sometimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    all paths leading to Rome.
    Whilst in Rome, do as the Rumanians do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    " ... He figures his tc then the rc is 6 + (3÷3) 1=7 correct?"

    Correct !

    I just wish that you would stop focusing on your B.C.
    as opposed to P.E. ~ more important in the SD games
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    " ... does EOR matter?"
    Your ordinary term E.O.R. means "Effect of Removal" as per your overall e.v. as to betting.
    You need to learn the E.O.R. (per ranks / hand matchup) when it comes to playing your cards.
    e.g. In S.D. BJ are you hitting a hand of 14 vs 10 when three 7's have already been played ?

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