K-O Blackjack vs HiLo

[moses]

You guys are going to confuse the crap out of yourselves. Put down the mouse Chester. Poor Ronster is going to busy a spring.

[Ronster]

It is incorrect saying the PE is basically "as bad as you can get". No it is not! How about this system?

A-(-2)
2-(1)
3-(1)
4-(2)
5-(2)
6-(1)
7-(0)
8-(0)
9-(-1)
T-(-1)

BC = .95 PE= .41 IC = .53

I guess this level two card counting system is a recreational count system as well. This count system count the count the 4s and 5s as twice as more than other cards. Since have a weaker BC, PE and IC.

At this point I'm fairly certain Zenmaster is toking a bong while he reads/replys to this forum....Seriously, is there something wrong with this guy???

[Ronster]

I use a custom count and a 4 column count derived from reading Thorp's book.

For you, I'd stay with Silver Fox or go REKO. Norm has both oar's in the water. I like the way he simplified it with always the 2 move. Except I would adjust the indices for preferential shuffle and no surrender purposes.

What indices do you employ?

I use the ones in the Silver Fox book, altho I don't know them all.....

[moses]

At this point I'm fairly certain Zenmaster is toking a bong while he reads/replys to this forum....Seriously, is there something wrong with this guy???

Of course there is something wrong. Lol. I gotta worry about the cheese on my own damn cracker. Flash is extremely bright. He just plays at a "high" level.

[moses]

I use the ones in the Silver Fox book, altho I don't know them all.....

If memory serves me correctly Mr. Stricker went with a very few stricter indices. Not even 12vs4, or 13vs2,3. So I'd have to opt for REKO for Ronster. Sorry Ralphster. It was close. But Normster came on in the backstretch to win by a nose.

[seriousplayer]

Of course there is something wrong. Lol. I gotta worry about the cheese on my own damn cracker. Flash is extremely bright. He just plays at a "high" level.

Why won't Flash just quit using Hi-OPT 2 and use the Gordon Count since Hi-OPT 2 is inferior to the Gordon Count if he side count the A, 6,7,8 and 9?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Why won't Flash quit using Hi-OPT 2 ... use the Gordon Count ..."

The Gordon Count is surrealistically powerful, BUT ...
I am way too old to start over after these decades;
even IF I ever had the extensive memory required.

[seriousplayer]

The Gordon Count is surrealistically powerful, BUT ...
I am way too old to start over after these decades;
even IF I ever had the extensive memory required.

It seem like you already had experience or used the Gordon Count before otherwise I don't understand why you would say the Gordon Count is surrealistically powerful? Surrealistically meaning unreal. If not than how can you form a conclusion on something you haven't even used?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

" ... I'm fairly certain Zenmaster is ... something wrong with this guy?"

The so-called count provided BC = .95 *PE= .41 *IC = .53.

WHO in their right mind would scramble the E.O.R.'s of 9's, 10's and Aces
in such a bizarre fashion ~ unless they are trying to demonstrate the value
of understanding the E.O.R. of the (higher) ranks, by purposely creating a
truly dreadful count for comparison.

Note: BC < .985, P.E. < .560, and IC < .775 are all dreadful.

[seriousplayer]

The so-called count provided BC = .95 *PE= .41 *IC = .53.

WHO in their right mind would scramble the E.O.R.'s of 9's, 10's and Aces
in such a bizarre fashion ~ unless they are trying to demonstrate the value
of understanding the E.O.R. of the (higher) ranks, by purposely creating a
truly dreadful count for comparison.

What about this count the 9's are counted as zeros:

A-(-3)
2- 1
3-2
4-2
5-2
6-2
7-2
8-0
9-0
T-(-2)

BC = 97, PE = 49, IC = .71

A-(-3)
2- 1
3-2
4-2
5-3
6-2
7-1
8-0
9-0
T-(-2)

BC = 98, PE = 49, IC = .69

[ZenMaster_Flash]

What about this count the 9's are counted as zeros:

A-(-3)
2- 1
3-2
4-2
5-3
6-2
7-1
8-0
9-0
T-(-2)

PE = .49

NOTE: the self-destructive P E created by tagging Aces as greater than 10's.
Aces need to be side-counted if you want to play BJ accurately and seriously.

[seriousplayer]

Note: BC < .985, P.E. < .560, and IC < .775 are all dreadful.

But wait what about the RPC? It has BC = .9837, PE = .5547 and IC =.7799. I guess in your definition RPC is a recreational count than since it is still a level 2 card counting system. There is nothing wrong with RPC.

[moses]

But wait what about the RPC? It has BC = .9837, PE = .5547 and IC =.7799. I guess in your definition RPC is a recreational count than since it is still a level 2 card counting system. There is nothing wrong with RPC.

Perfect starting point.