Almost Backed Off, I Think

[Thirdbaseman]

Thanks all for the responses. I figured it was better to be safe than sorry. I'll stay away for a while. But if they have me pegged, I'll find out when I eventually return.

[stopgambling]

if in doubt there's no doubt , LOL. just had to say it.

[stringer]

I really don't see the problem in identifying casinos in these posts.... I think a larger body of knowledge and opinion about the particular stores is not a bad thing. Of course I am not talking about identifying good games or opportunities or the like.

[Joe Mama]

I really don't see the problem in identifying casinos in these posts.... I think a larger body of knowledge and opinion about the particular stores is not a bad thing. Of course I am not talking about identifying good games or opportunities or the like.

Identifying game quality is not the only concern. Concern may be identifying yourself (or others) as AP to the particular casino.

[Three]

Identifying game quality is not the only concern. Concern may be identifying yourself (or others) as AP to the particular casino.

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[Exoter175]

seen it happened multiple times and my guess was right . So it ain't that rare. There is a lot of stuff people say it's rare but it probably isn't . Maybe it is not as rare as one might think.

Rare for some people but not for others. Could the latter be way too obvious?

Looks like T3 beat me to the response, well played.

[JBX2]

If you are ever in doubt, just leave.
What's the big deal? Move on and find another game somewhere else.
I don't like the stress of getting barred, plus I feel I have gotten too much exposure over the years.
In other words, by staying, I see potential downside and not much upside.

[ico2525]

Was looking for a place to post about this, and this discussion seems fitting. Just today I had a floor leave the game for whatever reason. I don't know if it was end of his shift or not. He tries to get the other floor to take a few more steps away from the game, so he can speak quietly. The new floor isn't perceptive, so they end up speaking 5 feet away from each other, not that softly, close enough from the table. "See the guy in the blue jacket..."

At this point, I (sophomoric) can't help myself and pipe in something about "You don't have to speak secretively about me." Original floor wasn't too pleased to begin this conversation.

So for context and because I'm interested to hear from the community about this topic, this experience is at a place where management chooses not to back people off. I'm not entirely sure why, but my guess is it has something to do with them being New Jersey trained where from my understanding backing counters off is not a thing they do. As is the standard practice I hear in AC, they'll go to cutting the shoe in half or preferential shuffle.

I always create quite the stir when I start playing. Phones ringing, suits running around... it's quite the circus. Not that cutting the shoe in half stops me from being an AP -- I just find the whole don't back anyone off policy interesting when a polite "You're no longer welcome to play blackjack anymore" seems like the route I'd go if I were confident someone was a successful counter.

[RS]

I always create quite the stir when I start playing. Phones ringing, suits running around... it's quite the circus.

This sounds like a problem, to me. If that is really the case and it happens frequently, perhaps you should consider a way of going under the radar -- something in your game would be setting off bells, which is never a good thing (ie: you're obvious).

[Three]

At this point, I (sophomoric) can't help myself and pipe in something about "You don't have to speak secretively about me." Original floor wasn't too pleased to begin this conversation.

My God, why wouldn't you be quiet and listen to what is being said. When the Floor changes they brief the new Floor about players that are playing big or other things under the Floors responsibility. It sounds like YOU may have a problem. I had a similar thing happen to me. Playing the graveyard and the Floor changes in the middle of a great shoe and I was not doing well. I had been buying in like crazy to make my bets, doubles and splits. There was a suit convention and they were obviously talking about me. I left at the end of the shoe to be safe but in retrospect I thought of course the Floor briefing was about me. Everyone else was betting $10 to $25 dollars a hand and I was betting $500. There was nothing to be said about anyone else playing in the pit but my play was something they would make sure the next shift was aware of. This place does back off successful counters aggressively but enough of the action they got was insanely big bettors $500 bets isn't going to get anyone sweating. And if you go back after a backoff you can count on being blackbooked along with a very, very unpleasant backoff. They generally allow counters to play until they prove they are a true threat. As true Zender model followers they offer insane pen and the proper kind of game protection that only reacts to true threats. It seems my assessment of that situation was right but I got backed off a couple years later. I was really surprised (I figured I could win another $40K before a BO) but I guess once you win enough they don't care that they can't figure out what you are doing. I figured I would either never get BO due to infrequency of visits and trying to keep wins within tolerances or I would be allowed to win for a while longer when the tap came. Anyway the point is your large bets should get the Floor shift change talking about you even if you are the dumbest ploppy in the world. After all it is their job to properly track the play of large bettors. I left because better safe than sorry and after such a great max bet opportunity shoe it is probably time to go even though I lost a boatload.

[RCJH]

Was looking for a place to post about this, and this discussion seems fitting. Just today I had a floor leave the game for whatever reason. I don't know if it was end of his shift or not. He tries to get the other floor to take a few more steps away from the game, so he can speak quietly. The new floor isn't perceptive, so they end up speaking 5 feet away from each other, not that softly, close enough from the table. "See the guy in the blue jacket..."

At this point, I (sophomoric) can't help myself and pipe in something about "You don't have to speak secretively about me." Original floor wasn't too pleased to begin this conversation.

So for context and because I'm interested to hear from the community about this topic, this experience is at a place where management chooses not to back people off. I'm not entirely sure why, but my guess is it has something to do with them being New Jersey trained where from my understanding backing counters off is not a thing they do. As is the standard practice I hear in AC, they'll go to cutting the shoe in half or preferential shuffle.

I always create quite the stir when I start playing. Phones ringing, suits running around... it's quite the circus. Not that cutting the shoe in half stops me from being an AP -- I just find the whole don't back anyone off policy interesting when a polite "You're no longer welcome to play blackjack anymore" seems like the route I'd go if I were confident someone was a successful counter.

Do you want to stick out? Do you want to create a stir?

In my experience, being unassuming and having good manners will buy you longevity. Being an a*hole will get you backed off. ESPECIALLY in states where they take countermeasures for a counter, they will back off the moment you give them a different reason...


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[RCJH]

Was looking for a place to post about this, and this discussion seems fitting. Just today I had a floor leave the game for whatever reason. I don't know if it was end of his shift or not. He tries to get the other floor to take a few more steps away from the game, so he can speak quietly. The new floor isn't perceptive, so they end up speaking 5 feet away from each other, not that softly, close enough from the table. "See the guy in the blue jacket..."

At this point, I (sophomoric) can't help myself and pipe in something about "You don't have to speak secretively about me." Original floor wasn't too pleased to begin this conversation.

So for context and because I'm interested to hear from the community about this topic, this experience is at a place where management chooses not to back people off. I'm not entirely sure why, but my guess is it has something to do with them being New Jersey trained where from my understanding backing counters off is not a thing they do. As is the standard practice I hear in AC, they'll go to cutting the shoe in half or preferential shuffle.

I always create quite the stir when I start playing. Phones ringing, suits running around... it's quite the circus. Not that cutting the shoe in half stops me from being an AP -- I just find the whole don't back anyone off policy interesting when a polite "You're no longer welcome to play blackjack anymore" seems like the route I'd go if I were confident someone was a successful counter.

Do you want to stick out? Do you want to create a stir?

In my experience, being unassuming and having good manners will buy you longevity. Being an a*hole will get you backed off. ESPECIALLY in states where they take countermeasures for a counter, they will back off the moment you give them a different reason...

[stopgambling]

but I guess once you win enough they don't care that they can't figure out what you are doing. I figured I would either never get BO due to infrequency of visits and trying to keep wins within tolerances or I would be allowed to win for a while longer when the tap came.

you just had to do it . "3" !