Break-Even Strategy

[Jabberwocky]

Thanks Norm. It is good to quantify things even in a vague sense.

Whatever became of Konrad Membrino?

[MJGolf]

Don. This is just a hobby for me as well. But the financial rewards is far far greater than golf of fishing. I don't need to catch a fish to eat. Daniel Boone I am not. I do not see the logic in trying to catch a fish that could eat me. Lol. Are you getting my drift?

You are never to old to chase. But be wary of that running from. They are sneaky.

Hmmmmm.....Moses, not to hijack this thread but your comment about golf made me think............overall I am positive cash flow at that game and you CAN win money betting on the course. HaHa

And as to "chasing", well my late father used to say that "Your Mom ran from me while I chased her...............until she caught me." LOL

[MJGolf]

Compromise indices are technically incorrect indices.

F Y I, some indices will differ while others will not.

Using incorrect indices is WORSE than playing basic strategy

according to the immortal Peter Griffin, Ph.D.

This issue is also closely related to "deck estimation."

So what are your thoughts then on: Blackjack lite or Hi Lo lite? Snyder ain't normally considered a ploppy.

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...t/hilolite.htm


But to get back to OP's question, comps for BJ play were SO much better years ago. (Bring back the good ol' days, right ZenFlash?) It's going to be tough to get them at your level of betting. Most Vegas houses (strip) won't even count your play unless it's $25 minimum bet for 4 hours/day. At local houses, I can get a "cheap" meal comp for the play you mention OR a discount. But not much here for that play.

One suggestion would be to add VP to your play; the casinos LOVE slot play but won't award as many points/cash back for VP BUT added to your BJ play, you might increase your "theoretical" to them by playing both games enough to get the comps you want.

[MJGolf]

MJ. I was hoping you'd chime in. How do you make money on a golf course? Well, you are betting on yourself. You win because of your experience, devotion, and practice which increases your skill level. Same thing in blackjack except they will kick you off the course for winning to much too often.

Naaaah......they ask for a rematch and MORE strokes!!! LOL

[DonR04]

One suggestion would be to add VP to your play; the casinos LOVE slot play but won't award as many points/cash back for VP BUT added to your BJ play, you might increase your "theoretical" to them by playing both games enough to get the comps you want.

Adding something to BJ play would definitely help. I am pretty sure about it. But how do you win at VP?

I was also thinking about craps, but it seems quite confusing. Tried it a few times, for just a few minutes really, only betting on the pass line, and made a few bucks. Is it worth getting more knowledge and investing more time into it?

It would certainly be helpful to bring another play into the repertoire, especially when a little break from a BJ table is needed.

[RS]

Adding other play can definitely help your rating and get more/better comps. However, some properties do this weird f****ed up thing, where your monthly mailers are based on EITHER slots OR table games and you get the worser mailer....and that definitely sucks -- if you're expecting $1k in slot play but end up getting $5 x 2 in table match plays...or if you're expecting $250 x 5 in table match plays and get $15 x 4 in slot play. But, this certainly doesn't apply to all properties.

[MJGolf]

Adding something to BJ play would definitely help. I am pretty sure about it. But how do you win at VP?

I was also thinking about craps, but it seems quite confusing.

It would certainly be helpful to bring another play into the repertoire, especially when a little break from a BJ table is needed.

First I agree with what Rolling Stoned said above. Our mailers here seem to be "either or" based upon what game you play the majority of the time. Some combine slot free play AND table game bonus or "dollars", though. I used to think the "free slot" play was a waste of time (generally it is) but at least I understand it's positive EV no matter how little it is IF I use it v. just tossing it.

The reason I chose VP is that if you play JOB, it's a pretty low variance game. With the correct or "right" pay tables, and play of course, you can play about break even WITH the comps/mailers/promos they give you for play. If I understood your original intent, you are just trying to break even with the comps and bonuses you might get from low level play. (It's easy to print out a strategy chart for VP from WOO website for VP games.)

(Craps is an independent odds game. You have the house edge you can NOT overcome in the long run no matter WHAT. BUT playing pass line or no pass line WITH odds, you can lower the HE tremendously. It's just the casinos don't give you any benefit for playing odds because they pay that out exactly for what it should be paid probability wise. And at the level of betting you mention (red chip), I doubt you would be betting any differently on a craps game, right? Won't be much here as to comps either unless you play a long, long time.)

[DonR04]

Thanks, guys.

Maybe I'll try VP. I did play it a few times and really didn't lose any money. However, those were rather short sessions.

I also tried VP sims on WOO site, played probably for a few hours, and again pretty much broke even.

It could definitely be a nice break from BJ, and if it helps with comps, even better.