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[Norm]

A couple things:

Thing 1: Why would anyone care what Catlin says? He is known for two reviews in favor of Speed Count and the Craps Five-Count, both pushed by Scoblete and both, IMO, scams. (His review of the Five-Count is particularly humorous.) In the AP field, few people have ever heard of him. If I were you, I would remove his name from your ads. Wonder who advised you to talk to him.

Thing 2: Apologies if I missed it, but I didn't see an answer to my question about CSMs.

Sorry, i don't mean to be mean. I know selling a new game is difficult, and you've been at this for quite a long time. But, this is an AP site and your very first post is spamming a game with no indication that it is of interest to anyone but gamblers. I allowed the post to remain in case it has some use, in case your reviewers made an egregious error, and because we need to know what's going on in the gaming world. But, we would need details about payoffs, rules, and equipment in an actual casino.

[Norm]

In fact the person said that they don't even do anything directly to the person when they catch them but they get them in other more subtle ways.

You may have missed the current poll. See: https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...3-Backoff-poll

[Overunder82]

A couple things:

Thing 1: Why would anyone care what Catlin says? He is known for two reviews in favor of Speed Count and the Craps Five-Count, both pushed by Scoblete and both, IMO, scams. (His review of the Five-Count is particularly humorous.) In the AP field, few people have ever heard of him. If I were you, I would remove his name from your ads. Wonder who advised you to talk to him.

Catlin was a great man. Just passed away in January actually. He was and is still well respected in the gaming industry from the standpoint of the casino executives. In 2004 I decided to see if my math was correct and he was able to confirm that it was for a very reasonable price.

Thing 2: Apologies if I missed it, but I didn't see an answer to my question about CSMs.

I have yet to suggest CSM's. I do not anticipate using CSM's. If I was using CSM's I wouldn't be talking with you guys.

Sorry, i don't mean to be mean.

One thing I have been at for a long time is having discussions and arguing w people. I get paid to argue with people for a living. For the past 15 years I argue all day every day and I actually enjoy it. I figured out how to not let the other side's opinions and/or positions get under my skin a long, long, time ago. Also, I have a hard time taking things personal in a forum setting. It would have to be one heck of a post!


I know selling a new game is difficult, and you've been at this for quite a long time. But, this is an AP site and your very first post is spamming a game with no indication that it is of interest to anyone but gamblers.

I am far from wanting to sell the game but I am trying to get it some traction by getting it tried out in as many casinos as possible. I would only sell it if I had a bunch of placements along with favorable numbers to back it up. Unfortunately, that's not a blip on the radar screen at this point. I don't know where you got the impression I have been at this a long time. The idea popped in my head a long time ago but the first time I went public was less than a year ago. I released the app May 1st 2015 to get some fans of the game. Then I spent a few months looking into just how big of an issue card counting would be. I wasn't sure if it was a deal breaker or what. That is what I used Joe Shipman for. I hope you respect him. The verdict was it's no more or no less of an issue as it is in BJ. You guys are the pros on that subject but as I see it some AP players seem to do OK w BJ. Once that was figured out I decided to start contacting casinos. Once I found a few possible leads I discovered that it was time to go the GLI route and apply to a jurisdiction. I outlined that to illustrate that I am still very green in this particular field. According to a UNLV Center for Gaming Research study only a very small % of games that get created ever actually see the inside of a casino. Furthermore, most of the ones that do are from one of the monster companies that dominate the industry. It generally takes about 2 years and an investment of about $100K. I was able to get it in a casino in less than a year and spent about half of what other developers usually spend. I also have a number of other casinos that appear to now be on board. I'm sorry but I am quite proud about of what I was able to do in such a short time, for half the capital and as an outsider. I am at the stage of needing to fill as many seats at my tables as I can.


I allowed the post to remain in case it has some use, in case your reviewers made an egregious error, and because we need to know what's going on in the gaming world. But, we would need details about payoffs, rules, and equipment in an actual casino.

I appreciate that you allowed my post and although I am here for self serving purposes I surely wouldn't be if I did not think I was providing the site something in exchange. First, maybe I am wrong but I enjoy hearing any story that involves how a game went from being a dime a dozen idea all of the way to being placed in a licensed casino. However, the main reason I am here is b/c of what I learned from Mr. Shipman and many other AP's that I have come across. My game is a game that some AP's might be able to beat. In fact, although I believe Mr. Shipman's opinion over anyone else's many AP's have made comments that it would be easy to beat the game. So I am here at least in part to make sure that AP's know the game is live. The fact is that Ap's look for games to beat. It is also a fact that many AP's go after BJ in particular. That leads me to believe that if AP's are aware of its existence perhaps AP's will go and play Casino Over Under. My goal at this moment is to get as many players to the over under tables as humanly possible. You guys appear to be in my customer base. I am respectfully informing this group of the games existence and offering up whatever information anyone may want to know. If that is not a legit reason for me being here then I will gladly leave and extend an apology. As far as the payoffs, rules and equipment goes I'd be more than happy to repeat it but I think I did enough blabbering and I am pretty sure I covered all of those topics.

If you or anyone else would like to know anything else fire away. I'm an open book about my game. I have a great IP lawyer and when it comes to the stats I am sure anyone of you guys can create any and all reports I posses if you chose to put the time in. I am willing to give you a short cut. If Ap's do my game in so be it. I will worry about that if and when it becomes an issue. That would be sometime in the future which for me always takes a back seat to the present moment. Presently, I need people playing my game.

Also, I love blackjack. I don't think it's a great game for a regular, non-AP player's first experience with a table game. I think they should p[lay something easier that they can actually win sometimes that is not very intimidating.

That's the story man. If you want me out just say the word. No hard feelings either.

[Overunder82]

Oops I messed that reply w quote box pretty good. Sorry about that

[Norm]

Again: Is the game played with a CSM?

[Overunder82]

You may have missed the current poll. See: https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...3-Backoff-poll

I don't know man.... Polls like that just don't hold a ton of weight for me. No way of assessing the validity of the responses.

[Overunder82]

No CSM's

[Norm]

Thanks for the info. The game is clearly countable. Sorry, no one here will publically post a strategy.

BTW, on your How to Play screen, you correctly spelled "inccorectly". Unfortunately, you incorrectly spelled incorrectly.

[mofungoo]

Correct!

[Norm]

There is also a free app in the AppStore. If you play it or have played it I always appreciate feedback.

Your "free" app, isn't. I played for two minutes and it asked me to pay to continue.

[Overunder82]

Your "free" app, isn't. I played for two minutes and it asked me to pay to continue.

Thanks Norm. I will talk to my partner about the spelling error. I appreciate the heads up. The app had to be free. I never authorized anyone to switch it over to being a paid app nor did I ever come up with a price. I just checked. It's free in my appstore. If you are referring to the in app purchases they cost money as they do on any app but only when you you choose to buy one. You also get a free $500 in fake money every two hours.

I honestly wasn't looking for any AP strategies. I just try to get the word out about the game to anyone I feel may desire to play it. Didn't mean to upset anyone. If an AP plays it's a good thing. The AP gets a crack at beating a new game and I get a player sitting at my table.

[Norm]

The Oxford English Dictionary has four pages of definitions for the word "free". Couldn't find one that matches this app. Reminds me of a lemonade stand I once saw with a sign that said "free for 10 cents".

[Overunder82]

The Oxford English Dictionary has four pages of definitions for the word "free". Couldn't find one that matches this app. Reminds me of a lemonade stand I once saw with a sign that said "free for 10 cents".

lol. I quickly found a definition in Webster's that fits. Not costing any money; Here's an example used as an adverb: Norm and everyone else on earth downloaded Casino Over Under free of charge and got to play hundreds of hands without ever spending a dime. In the appstore apps there are free apps and apps that you have to pay to download are called paid apps. You will find Casino Over Under among the free apps that do not cost a dime to download.