How will I be a nuisance, if all im doing is going to each table once after seeing no sign on the table? If they then decide to put it, im not at fault because the sign was never there. After they put the sign, I will laugh my way out of there seeing them lose profit by locking out other players from playing as well, understand now?Originally Posted by KJ
I should add that in my observation, red chippers did not complain as much on mid shoe entry compared to green chippers and black chippers. So if someones spread $10 to $200 or $15 to $300 or $25 to $500, they can Wong in to $10 min $500 max tables. The only problem is that such tables are mostly crowded if not full.
Last edited by BJGenius007; 08-11-2014 at 06:08 AM.
KJ, I know you are trying to protect other members from believing ZK's insane posts but he is trolling and you are encouraging it. Nobody that plays any amount in a casino could actually believe what he is writing. All I have to say about it is:
GREEN EGGS AND HAM
Start writing your childish posts in rhyme ZK.
I can understand your feelings T3. Obviously you have been pushed past your limit. Returning from his suspension, I wanted to give ZK, an opportunity to turn over a new leaf and be a productive member of our BJtheForum society. I do agree that this idea of laying down the law to the pit, "let me wong in, or else no one can enter midshoe", shows a complete lack of understanding how things work.
Exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly. When you play as much as KJ and I do, you learn that for longevity's sake, you keep your ass out of confrontation and keep things light hearted, or you won't last at all.
I think that's beyond understanding how things work. Its just childish and will likely get you ID'd for an age check, and then barred "just because". At least if he makes a big enough stink about it.
I don't know, maybe he's trying to rationalize in his head that its possible to wong in and out of NMSE tables, which I warned him about months ago when he was all giddy about his imaginary play when he'd eventually make it to vegas, after he talked trash all over my game play, even then I'm the one putting in 40-50 hours a week while he's pretending to play.
Getting back to the poster's original point, if other players protest that you are jumping into the game in progress, just be polite as possible and play! If I encounter resistance, the most I will say is, "sorry, I will play." You are there to get the money and not make any friends. Positive wonging conditions can sometimes be difficult to find. So, when you have the opportunity, you have to take advantage of it no matter what anyone else thinks. Happy backcounting!
I think the generalised answer to the question<i> 'is X amount enough' </i>will always either be:
A) If you're happy with the risk level then yes.
B) No, you can make your risk level lower by having more.
Take your pick.
Read my last post, I never said I would tell them what to do and what not to do after they put a NMSE sign on the table, ALL I SAID was i will go to every table until they let me jump in mid shoe. If they dont let me jump in mid shoe on all tables, then I will laugh my out of there looking at how all tables are now NMSE and watching their profit diminsh. DO YOU GET IT NOW? The talking back to the pit was obviously a joke but please keep up to date with my posts, the last post I said I would try at last once on each table and if they dont let me jump in and put a NMSE, then that means no one can play and I will just laugh at their expense.
I also laugh at all you saying I lost credibility LOL. Who are you guys anyway, why do I have to bow down to any of you. I dont need credibility from you guys or respect, take it for what it is, this is an open forum. And I have done nothing to lose respect at all, you guys have been brainwashed by Exoters provocations and misled arguments and turned everyone against me after all I did was present facts and defended myself each time. All this goes back to what I have been saying all along, its funny how their is like a stepladder of respect each individual has on here and then you got fanboys like Exoter who start backing them up making it even worse. THIS IS AN OPEN FORUM, how about all of you put your egos aside, post and learn from each other, this is blackjack, not brain surgery. Anyone can master this within a year max, and then another year of actual experience to see what it's all about and what to look out for to preserve longevity, etc.
When you guy start mentioning credibility and respect, I just laugh LOL. Keep it up. I can care less who respects me on here, you dont even need connections anymore in blackjack, you got newsletters that leak out casino playing conditions, rules, pen, etc. We all know those newsletters also 'protect' their games, but these so called 'friends' you make on here wont leak out a good game to you anyway, everyone wants a great game to themselves and at the end of the day, people are greedy, they are in it for themselves and dont want the games to burn out. The best games will be found scouting by yourself anyway, so please everyone ignore me, because if I ever need a question Ill just make a new username as well LOL and you will never know. I dont need a reputation, I was and still am here for INFORMATION, and if I need to, ill go make a new username, so all you little kids putting me on ignore after I have done nothing wrong but present facts, go ahead and waste your energy with the MIGHTY ignore button.
Also let me just say, yes some players have played longer and are established and their opinions weigh higher than others, and the math ability on here from Tarzan and Tthree are top notch and way better than mine Im sure, but please there's no pyramid of royalty here, because that vibe is definitly present here and many can attest to it, im sure. Someone dare question an established player and all their little buddies and fanboys lean toward their side. This is an internet open forum, put your egos aside.
Hey Norm, im still wondering why Exoter has not been suspended as well, I mean you suspended me for saying the word 'cancer' to him, and from what I remember, he must have called me that at least 5 times in the past month or a relative word to that. Not only that, everything bad that I have actually said was provoked by him trying to rattle me up with misinformation and assumptions after facts were presented right in his face, but NO ONE sees when he trolls EVERYONE just points the finger at me and say I troll LOL. Some consistency would be nice on here. Go look at his join date and go look at when I started to get aggressive on here, everything was provoked by him just to rattle me and get a reaction, and ON TOP of it, he then asks me to get banned after hes only been here 1-2 months and i been here 2 years, this forum is really on the upswing.
Last edited by ZenKinG; 08-11-2014 at 04:47 PM.
I will make the lesson easy for you. When the casino makes it clear you are not welcome or will not be welcome if you stay, it is time to leave. If you are paying attention you should probably already be gone by that point. The first time you should see the NMSE sign is when you are approaching the table because you didn't wait long enough before you came back. Of course if you sensed the heat and got out you might not be back to soon to see the sign trotted out just for you.
How would it get to the point of the casino not welcoming me? I would be doing my plan only on tables with NMSE sign, read the original post on here. The signs were not yet on the table. Ill just keep going table to table and doing it once on each. Im not committing a crime, if there's no sign, then i will try to join. Each table is different and pit boss cant get angry at me trying at each table. Once all signs are put on the table, I will laugh my way out of there at the profit they are losing.
You're on my ignore list, but I had a feeling with the frequency of posts in this thread that I had to "click to read", one of them had me in it.
Let me fix all of this for you.
QUIT CRYING!!!!!!!!!!! You get banned because you cross the line ZK, I do not. The mere mention of me brainwashing everyone and being a fanboy to the other "popular" kids is reason enough to get you banned again. However, I want to address an issue that really bugs me.
Accountability, ZK. I take every word, every action, every reaction as "mine". I hold myself accountable for what I say, how I say it, how I "come off" to others, and how they react to what I have to say. Sometimes, that means I have to back pedal a little bit because they didn't understand me, or I didn't understand them. I do so, in the nicest and most humble ways possible, before people like yourself jump in and provoke an argument. Same thing happened with T3 and I a month ago. We were on completely different sides of a debate, and I found myself having issues communicating my point to him, and then others, like yourself ZK, jumped in and started bashing my points without even reading the entirety of the thread and trying to comprehend the discussion. T3 and I finally came back around and understand what the other was saying, even with a mild interruption of ZK's teenage nonsense happening all over the thread.
I say this because you bring up respect like you're owed any ZK. You assume that seniority= respect, that isn't true. I'd be surprised if I didn't garner more respect on the whole of this forum since I've posted here, than you have, simply because of the way you react to criticisms and confrontation, even worse is your reaction to contrarian ideals.
Now, I don't say that because I'm a better player or poster, ZK, I say this because I give credit where it is due. I see the posters on this forum for their intention, not only their words, and a vast majority of the guys here only have the intention of helping others, or being humble enough to ask for help. You, ZK, your "intention" is usually to "strike down" or "interrupt". Its as if in any lengthy thread, you feel the need to make an appearance just so people notice you, and that kind of action doesn't garner respect.
Do you know what I respect KJ, T3, Aslan, Moses, Tarzan, SCG, etc.? It isn't because they are awesome, though I suspect they all are, its because each of these individuals contributes to this forum either in a helping manner, or by providing insight into matters very few know about or have experienced. Information like that is VALUABLE to me, and to just about anyone on this forum. On top of that, they do so in such a positive manner, where yours is almost always negative.
That, is why they have respect and credibility ZK. The reason most everybody on this forum gives you little respect is simply because you haven't earned it. You've torn down and blown up more threads on this site than you've created, and for every single positive post without any questionable level of sarcasm applied to it, there's about 35 posts of you lashing out at the entire forum. There's no respect demanded there, none to be given, nor should it. As far as the credibility, you'll only understand your lack of credibility if you swallowed your pride and saw yourself through our eyes. The way you post, the way you lash out, the way you talk about your "Theory" game, yet admittedly do not play very often, and have basically set aside all possibilities until you save up a 100k bankroll. Comments like that leave a lot of skepticism out there, especially when T3, KJ, and I are discussing intricate details of casino personnel game, and you try to butt in and correct us or add your two cents, of which you have no insight to offer, but feel the need to be heard.
I"ll just leave it all at that, but don't expect me to reply to one of your posts anytime soon ZK, you have a lot to learn and until you do, you'll remain on my ignore list.
People earn the respect of others and what you perceive as royalty. They earn credibility by posting coherent post that stand up to the truth. On the flip side people earn disrespect or lack of credibility. Most people draw some of each depending on who you are asking. That royal feeling is called a consensus in a loose sense of the word's meaning.
This is not a quote from Exoter but since he quoted it, his post is were I say ZK's post.
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