Another taking a hail mary shot on a small bankroll thread, please weigh in

[ZenKinG]

This is a recipe to become fat. Everything in nature runs in cycles. If you starve your body your genetics doesn't understand you have plenty to eat and are choosing not to. It believes you live in a region were the food supply is not reliable in cycles. Your metabolism will compensate by cutting back and you will start storing fat for the next starvation cycle. Your body will keep reducing its metabolism and storing fat after each starvation cycle to prepare for the next.

In nature the end of the growing season sees an abundance of carbs and rich seasonal food sources. Grains and nuts and other carb rich foods are in abundance that typically aren't. This carb abundance is a signal to your body to store fat for the upcoming lack of food that occurs in the winter as well as to have stored energy to heat your body. The problem we have today is we ship carb loaded food around the globe so they can be eaten year round with no spike or famine. Worse yet they have taught this food pyramid which has you eating carbs as the main staple of the american diet year round.

Your health is in your hands and mimicking the natural food supply or better yet only eating the local food is what is best for you. If you eat small regular meals you never get that tired feeling that comes from a full stomach. If you avoid sugar and fast starches your body will not need to produce much insulin. The trouble is when you eat out as you will likely be doing at the casino they put sugar in everything and as any doctor will tell you about diabetics everyone processes food differently so there isn't any great diet that works well for everyone. For me corn snacks don't spike my blood sugar (those indians were geniuses when it came to plant domestication. The Europeans asked what plant corn was domesticated from and didn't believe the indians until genetics confirmed the wild version many, many years later. The old world domesticated grains never really changed much in appearance.) but wheat, rice and potato (except sweet potatoes) cause a large need for insulin due to blood sugar spikes. It is always best to pay attention to feedback from your body and prepare your own food. Learn your biorhythms and how to work in the casino when you are at peak performance. Everyones body including their brain will have cycles of high performance and recharge throughout the day.

Too many people today won't or can't listen to the bodies feedback and fine tune themselves to their individual bodies way of processing food, their biorhythms and other bio-feedback unique to them. They rely on what some guy that has never met them or studied their unique physiology to tell them what their body needs. Some people need much less sleep than others. The vital sleep is in a narrow window at the end of the sleep cycle and is not very long. How long the sleep that is not very useful before this varies greatly by individual. Oversleeping the perfect wake up time will make you more tired than if you got up and waking too early misses that part of the sleep cycle that is vital. How food is processed is very different among individuals. The ideal foods for one persons body may cause issues for another.

For me lean meat from local game and fish from local spawning runs along with local shellfish make up the protein in my diet. Local berries start with strawberries then blackberries , raspberries, huckleberries , blueberries, boisenberries, peaches, paw paw and then the fall crop of grapes, pears and apples. They all can be picked in abundance on my property. Vegetables of your choice can be grown. I like tomatoes, tomatillos and hot peppers, cukes and zukes, also winter squash, sweet potatoes and yams for storing long term in my root cellar, romaine for cold weather greens and red orach spinach for warm weather. There are many delicious ways to put up vegetables. For visits to the casino venison jerky and some home made trail mix with my signature ingredient, dried tomatoes, are great to nibble on without the poisons associated with casino food and the large amount of time needed to invest in eating out. It works for me.

Starvation mode is a myth. It doesn't happen by skipping a meal or two LOL. That's mainstream nutrition advice that you seem to be following just like the sheep. Starvation mode only happens after at least 72 hours and once you enter this mode is when your metabolism slows down. Your metabolism won't slow down by skipping a meal or two, yes I debunked that myth also, your metabolism actually increases while fasting under 72 hours.

When your body doesn't have food in your body and all glycogen stores have run out, you think the body just begins thinking it's starving and pass out and die like everyone thinks? Why is fat stored in the first place? Fat is stored in the first place so it can be used later for energy, in which it does after all glycogen stores have been depleted from your last feast which takes about 6-8 hours. When no food is left, it starts using your fat stores for energy.

Recipe for fat storage you say? So let me guess you rather eat a nice big breakfast and spike insulin in the morning and make fat loss impossible, instead of keeping insulin low and GH high where you are in a nice anabolic state with more energy for the rest of the day, instead of being bogged down by having food in your stomach and wanting to sleep.

Yea let me tell you, I've been getting SO fat doing this man. I've gotten so fat that somehow I've lost 10 lbs of body fat in a month and never felt better. Which translates to about a normal recommended 2-3 healthy fat lbs. lost each week(about 1000 calories deficit each day = 7000 calories per week/ 3500 calories for each lb = 2lb lost a week). I also know it's not just water weight, as water weight usually comes off in the first week. Yes I lost a lot of lbs in the first week and knew it was water weight, which is normal with any diet, but the weight has since held in that spot, making it noticeable that 2-3 lbs of fat a week was now lost and the shape of my body and waist has trimmed down, which attributes to that fact. Not only do I have more energy by not eating breakfast and lunch, but I now have control of my own bod instead of being addicted to food lie 99% of this nation. Those hunger pangs you feel are just a addiction to food that your body has been manipulated to crave. People think these hunger pangs mean they will pass out or die by not eating when they feel this craving in morning and lunch. Well take it from me and many people who fast, have we died yet or passed out? Our bodies are put into ketosis(burning fat for fuel) and leaving us with increased energy throughout the day and better alertness. Not only do we lose weight, but we detoxify our body daily allowing our body to grow and repair each and every day by nutritionally stressing the body by not having food thereby reducing oxidative stress. Look up fasting benefits and it will go into details about this.

I'm sure our ancestors were fat slobs right Tthree? I'm sure it was a recipe for fat storage because they were 'starving' themselves by skipping breakfast and lunch LOL.

The only people that should not try fasting is people who already have blood issues thanks to their poor diet or hereditary genes. People with low blood sugar or diabetes should not fast. Everyone else, you could greatly benefit from this, that's all im saying.

Here you go. http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html

[Three]

Starvation mode is a myth. It doesn't happen by skipping a meal or two LOL. That's mainstream nutrition advice that you seem to be following just like the sheep.

This isn't some myth it is evolution. Humans and their ancestors were greatly nomadic. Their bodies needed to be able to adapt to survive in changing habitats. I never said skipping a meal or two would cause your metabolism to tank. I said the genetics in your body is smart enough to adjust your metabolism to your life and the predictable food source fluctuations that come with the changing seasons and your needs to survive what will follow the changes in food availability and environmental stresses that come at the same time. You may start you life burning 2500 to 3000 calories a day. You may cut bak to burning 1500 calories a day and when abundance is restored your metabolism goes up but not to the original amount. If your body is overly stressed by lack of food your metabolism slows down and never fully recovers to prepare for the next season of famine because the cycles in nature that shaped evolution gave those whose metabolism did this an advantage over those that didn't. In todays world having a metabolism that burns the most calories is a big advantage. It is about a series of daily starvations where you must cut back metabolism or burn reserves. I suppose in your world it was some kind of evolutionary advantage to up your metabolism when food was scarce and not have your body adjust to seasonal needs and fluctuations that could be anticipated in many ways by your body including what foods were available and the change in the length of the day and to a lesser degree temperatures and humidity patterns. Any evolutionary advantage was selected for. This is one of the most basic advantages that results in not only in better personal survival but also more, healthier and stronger offspring. If the guy you are preaching the gospel for has theories that are contrary to evolutionary pressures you can figure he is a quack.

[Three]

Recipe for fat storage you say? So let me guess you rather eat a nice big breakfast and spike insulin in the morning and make fat loss impossible, instead of keeping insulin low and GH high where you are in a nice anabolic state with more energy for the rest of the day, instead of being bogged down by having food in your stomach and wanting to sleep.

Wow, you are not only the Zen King but the King of poor assumptions. My typical breakfast is a bowl of home made soup consisting of vegetable juice as a base. Hot sauce and seasonings for spice and flavor and carrots, celery and onions with 3/4 of a cup of seasonal protein. I use shrimp or venison jerky most of the time. I have diabetes so I know more about what causes insulin spikes because they are related to sugar spikes which you may never figure out what foods cause it until you can't produce insulin.

[Three]

Yea let me tell you, I've been getting SO fat doing this man.

I guess you are the King of poor reading comprehension as well. I didn't say it will make you fat, I said it was a recipe that can make you fat and explained the trap in great detail. If you are aware of the trap and can keep from falling into it you can do what you say without getting fat but if you aren't cautious of the pitfall you can gain a lot of weight while cutting back on calories in a vicious cycle of decreasing metabolism. If you want to lose weight burn more calories through exercise while keeping a steady healthy diet with as few starches and sugars as possible. You will lose weight that is easy to keep of. Anyone that is too busy to eat quickly learns that hunger subsides after a short time. As they get older they also learn the health issues that were caused by body stresses from all sorts of sources including not eating properly. I am guessing from your posts your are too young to understand these things from experience and rely on others to tell you what to think.

I'm sure our ancestors were fat slobs right Tthree? I'm sure it was a recipe for fat storage because they were 'starving' themselves by skipping breakfast and lunch LOL.

I am not sure were you get the idea that our ancient ancestors skipped a morning meal. If you ever lived off the land you would know a meal is about the easiest thing to find. As someone that minored in Anthropology and Archeology, I can assure you whoever told you that doesn't know what he is talking about. Humans and their ancestors migrated primarily for abundant food sources. Some were aggressively defended but a rich enough food source would have the opposite affect of causing peaceful coexistence. It was only an evolutionary advantage to defend a limited food source. In the event of abundance of such magnitudes that everyone could take in abundance effort spent protecting it is wasted effort.

[ZenKinG]

Yeah I'm the idiot at everything lool ok buddy. Just like my stock that I been preaching. Its pointless to argue with you. You constantly defend yourself and im sure even make things up just to support your argument so you come out ahead like its some type of competition. Instead of taking some advice and bits of pieces of what I say, you completely ignore it and settle on the fact that the new generation thinks they know it all and I'm too young to know anything. Good luck with that philosophy.

Back then they didn't have one meal? Oh really, what about the hunter and gatherers during the cavemen age? For the most part they had one meal on average if any at all. That's what I'm referring too. You think they just wake up and kill somethin and eat it? Or do they kill and hunt all day and gather their food to eat at night? Once again you just argue to argue and I'm sure your anthropology reference is all fake just to make your claims valid. You post all sorts of crap in this forum how you are smart in math, smart in this, smart in that, now you're an expert in anthropology LOL.

And no offense (not a personal attack at all and respect anyone with an unfortunate illness) but you ended up with diabetes. Most likely you were binging a lot and following Americas standard diet with a nice big breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or maybe you were following the 6 small meals a day fad that just makes you want to keep eating more and more. I thought that's the right way to eat? I'm sure if you ate the way I'm preaching you would never have had a problem as your body would constantly be detoxifying each and every day and you would eat almost all the tiime below calorie maintenance levels each day. Look at America, why is everyone overweight and at all time obese levels? You think what we are doing and preaching is ok? You don't think something is wrong? 3-6 meals each day causes over eating simple as that. It all comes down to calories vs calories out and eating so much throughout the day people lose track and binge without noticing they're overeating.

You think the cavemen and hunters and gatherers had any illnesses. I can bet my house they didn't, unless of course from eating too much blood filled meat from the prey that they killed

[Three]

Back then they didn't have one meal? Oh really, what about the hunter and gatherers during the cavemen age? For the most part they had one meal on average if any at all. That's what I'm referring too. You think they just wake up and kill somethin and eat it?

My God, the world is edible. They learned to dry meat and other rich sources and stored what they could. Even today the aboriginal populations that live in the toughest environments have little trouble getting a meal. Getting a choice meal takes more work but doesn't mean you starve if the hunt fails. In reality the hunter part of the equation often failed to make a kill on any given day. They didn't go hungry because others in the tribe were gathering easily obtained food sources that weren't as rich. A kill of a big game animal, if that is what the family or tribe hunted, would be preserved through many different methods for weeks of meals. They learned and passed down from one generation to the next when and where rich food sources would occur and moved their families to take advantage. When a particular tree flowered all over the countryside it was time to go the the river which would be full of migrating fish. They didn't catch a fish and go eat it. they camped by the waterways and caught and preserved fish for meals for a long period of time. Nature is full of cues that told them when to move and in absence of that they learned to use astronomy to get the info on when to move to a region to take advantage of a rich food source. Only in relatively modern times did tribes settle in one place year in and out.

You seem to think our ancient ancestors were incompetent but if you were dropped of in the ancient wilderness you would starve while they kept moving to the rich food sources and putting up food Man used fire to cook for 100,000 years. A common problem with eating meat was parasites and rotting. Previous generations of European immigrants aged waterfowl until their neck failed to support the bodies weight. This showed a preference for the taste of rotting meat. Smoke was used to keep bugs off of butchered pieces of meat and eventually led to putting up meat by curing and drying it. Salt was used as a vital seasoning from ancient times. Cold water storage was commonly used for meat in the winter lean months. In tropical climates certain plants were rubbed on meats to keep bugs off. Today these things have become popular spices as our palate has evolved to enjoy the flavor. Hot peppers are on such plant. The early use of rubs and marinades were to help meat keep over time. It became regional taste preferences. Salt is a very common and extremely useful mineral that our bodies crave and is an excellent preserver of meat. Between drying, smoking, salting and edible insect repellents for meat our ancestors accidentally learned early how to preserve meat. Of course there is really no evidence that would survive of this but Anthropologists have tons of theories about how things were that are impossible to prove.

Scant evidence survives from ancient times. Spear tips have been found that are 500,000 years old at Kathu Pan 1. The atlatl, a spear throwing device, was used worldwide. It was invented more than 40,000 years ago with some arguing for a date of 100,000 years; although the earliest known artifacts are bone or antler and close to 20,000 years old. Projectile points 50,000 to 60,000 years old are believed to be to heavy for any other use than an atlatl point. Wood was a more common material but of course they would rarely if ever survive that long or longer. The atlatl is believed to have been so effective that it contributed to the extinction of the megafauna all over the world between 20,000 and 10,000 years ago.

[ZenKinG]

My God, the world is edible. They learned to dry meat and other rich sources and stored what they could. Even today the aboriginal populations that live in the toughest environments have little trouble getting a meal. Getting a choice meal takes more work but doesn't mean you starve if the hunt fails. In reality the hunter part of the equation often failed to make a kill on any given day. They didn't go hungry because others in the tribe were gathering easily obtained food sources that weren't as rich. A kill of a big game animal, if that is what the family or tribe hunted, would be preserved through many different methods for weeks of meals. They learned and passed down from one generation to the next when and where rich food sources would occur and moved their families to take advantage. When a particular tree flowered all over the countryside it was time to go the the river which would be full of migrating fish. They didn't catch a fish and go eat it. they camped by the waterways and caught and preserved fish for meals for a long period of time. Nature is full of cues that told them when to move and in absence of that they learned to use astronomy to get the info on when to move to a region to take advantage of a rich food source. Only in relatively modern times did tribes settle in one place year in and out.

You seem to think our ancient ancestors were incompetent but if you were dropped of in the ancient wilderness you would starve while they kept moving to the rich food sources and putting up food Man used fire to cook for 100,000 years. A common problem with eating meat was parasites and rotting. Previous generations of European immigrants aged waterfowl until their neck failed to support the bodies weight. This showed a preference for the taste of rotting meat. Smoke was used to keep bugs off of butchered pieces of meat and eventually led to putting up meat by curing and drying it. Salt was used as a vital seasoning from ancient times. Cold water storage was commonly used for meat in the winter lean months. In tropical climates certain plants were rubbed on meats to keep bugs off. Today these things have become popular spices as our palate has evolved to enjoy the flavor. Hot peppers are on such plant. The early use of rubs and marinades were to help meat keep over time. It became regional taste preferences. Salt is a very common and extremely useful mineral that our bodies crave and is an excellent preserver of meat. Between drying, smoking, salting and edible insect repellents for meat our ancestors accidentally learned early how to preserve meat. Of course there is really no evidence that would survive of this but Anthropologists have tons of theories about how things were that are impossible to prove.

Scant evidence survives from ancient times. Spear tips have been found that are 500,000 years old at Kathu Pan 1. The atlatl, a spear throwing device, was used worldwide. It was invented more than 40,000 years ago with some arguing for a date of 100,000 years; although the earliest known artifacts are bone or antler and close to 20,000 years old. Projectile points 50,000 to 60,000 years old are believed to be to heavy for any other use than an atlatl point. Wood was a more common material but of course they would rarely if ever survive that long or longer. The atlatl is believed to have been so effective that it contributed to the extinction of the megafauna all over the world between 20,000 and 10,000 years ago.

Didn't I just say that they chose to keep their prey and save it for later on at night whether the hunt was successful or not. There you go rewording everything I think you're the one that needs some reading comprehension lessons. When did I say they were incompetent, I never even came off that way to saying they were incompetent so I don't know where you are getting that assumption. I think you are the king of bad assumptions.

So back to my point, did they or did they not average 1 meal a day like I have been saying. If the hunt fails they don't eat, but like you said their friends from the tribe would 'preserve' the ones that they did get. Ok so when are they eating these meals? You don't mention at all about when they eat but rather try to get into specifics and get off topic once again. Not only did you misinterpret me, maybe on purpose to have an argument, but you don't answer my statements of when they eat. I dont care if the hunt fails and the other members of tribe has food, does that mean they eat the other members food on the spot, or do they all just save that food for the night gathering? I'll bet you, they spent most of the day failing or not, they preserved the food for later in the day.

And let me make this CLEAR. When I say one meal a day, I'm talking about the BIG meal. Getting apples off trees or any other fruit doesn't count. Of course they ate those when available cause it's on the go. But how many BIG meals did they have each day. 0 or 1. Plain and simple.

[Three]

You think the cavemen and hunters and gatherers had any illnesses. I can bet my house they didn't, unless of course from eating too much blood filled meat from the prey that they killed

You really don't understand human physiology. Iron in the blood and the earth's magnetic field both run your immune system. There are many things in nature that have iron but red meat is the only source that is easily absorbed into the blood stream after being ingested. Most other sources the iron is passed through the body with little being absorbed. Early astronauts became anemic in space until the roll of the Earth's magnetic field for immune responses was adjusted for.

[ZenKinG]

My God, the world is edible. They learned to dry meat and other rich sources and stored what they could. Even today the aboriginal populations that live in the toughest environments have little trouble getting a meal. Getting a choice meal takes more work but doesn't mean you starve if the hunt fails. In reality the hunter part of the equation often failed to make a kill on any given day. They didn't go hungry because others in the tribe were gathering easily obtained food sources that weren't as rich.

It's not about trouble or not getting a meal. When did they decide to eat? I bet you they didn't waste time sitting around eating big lunches and fall back asleep. They hunted ALL day, gathered their food and ate at night. Who said anyone is starving? Just because you and many americans cant skip breakfast and lunch because you think you're dying doesnt mean the people back then felt hungry. You get used to it and once your body starts using ketones whle i ketosis(burning fat for fuel), it supresses your appetite. I'm sure they were constantly in a level of ketosis and never felt the need to eat until late at night. I dont know who you think is starving, but I'm sure the cavemen hunter and gatherers were not starving during the day.

[ZenKinG]

You really don't understand human physiology. Iron in the blood and the earth's magnetic field both run your immune system. There are many things in nature that have iron but red meat is the only source that is easily absorbed into the blood stream after being ingested. Most other sources the iron is passed through the body with little being absorbed. Early astronauts became anemic in space until the roll of the Earth's magnetic field for immune responses was adjusted for.

Yeah go ahead and nitpick at my information, ignoring what we are actually arguing about in the first place. 1 BIG meal a day or no back then(fruits and vegetables do not count as those were easily accessible and taken on the go) No one is talking about astronauts man.

[Three]

Ok so when are they eating these meals?

If you look at every animal on the planet as well as our closest relatives you will see eating throughout the day is the norm. Some carnivores eat 1 large meal and then sleep and rest for days or weeks until they eat again but the more the diet contains non-meat the more often the animal or organism will eat in the course of the day. Like I said there is scant physical evidence that survives to be certain of eating cycles but our earliest relatives were primarily vegetarians and would eat throughout the day. As we became more omnivorous our need for a long digestive track decreased which required less energy and combined with other adaptations contributed to developing higher brain function. As we never became full carnivores there is absolutely no reason at all to believe food was not eaten throughout the day. There is lots of reasons to believe one nocturnal meal was definitely not the norm.

[ZenKinG]

If you look at every animal on the planet as well as our closest relatives you will see eating throughout the day is the norm. Some carnivores eat 1 large meal and then sleep and rest for days or weeks until they eat again but the more the diet contains non-meat the more often the animal or organism will eat in the course of the day. Like I said there is scant physical evidence that survives to be certain of eating cycles but our earliest relatives were primarily vegetarians and would eat throughout the day. As we became more omnivorous our need to digestive track shortened and required less energy which with other adaptations contributed to developing higher brain function. Ads we never became full carnivores there is absolutely no reason at all to believe food was not eaten throughout the day. there is lots of reasons to believe one nocturnal meal was definitely not the norm.

Didn't I say they ate fruits and vegetables throughout the day. How many BIG meals were eaten each and every day was my argument. Maybe I should have been more specific from my first couple of posts, although I did correct it later on. Fruits and vegetables are not meals. They dont raise blood sugar unless eaten a lot at once. I'm talking about BIG meals each day. How many?

[Bodarc]

Read the journals of Lewis and Clark and you'll see how many starving tribes of Indians they came across on their journey. By the use of guns, they were able to obtain game the Indians couldn't with their bows etc and they then became heroes to the tribes who in appreciation helped them with directions etc along the way. Read about the famines in China or the potato famines in Ireland and the starvation and you'll realize how your description of the abundance of food is a fallacy Three. Look at the starving people today in Africa. In the past with no form of communication as we have today, these people just starved to death and so there is no record of them. To paint a picture of the abundance of nature's gifts is looking at the world through rose colored glasses. Life was very hard and those that were caught in these situations died by the thousands and millions.