Should casinos be able to bar players

[muffdiver]

Normally, I think a business owner should be allowed to do what they want, as long as they aren't mistreating someone because of their race, sex, etc.

However, in some states, the casinos are almost a government entity. They are established by statute or even constitutional amendment, they provide a huge tax base (in the Midwest, usually the state makes more money than the casino owner), and they are protected by a special police force that is on the government payroll. For that reason, I think some states should not be allowed to bar counters, because it is largely a public entity. That seems to factor into the Court's reasoning in Uston v. Resorts.

No doubt, this varies, state by state but I presume you are referring to Native American casinos. If so, in my state (and probably others) there are "gaming compacts" drawn up between the tribes and state government that detail things like the percentage of profits the state gets from each different tribe. Beyond that, I've not seen a gaming compact, but I don't believe "one size fits all" (in my state anyway). There must be at least half a dozen different tribes here having compacts and I think each compact has differences. However, not wanting to reveal either of our states, the casinos in mine are not viewed as "public entities" in any way. It's sovereign nation all the way. Tribes furnish security, gaming commission that polices itself (yes, I'm laughing!), NO state benefits like unemployment, workers comp insurance, etc.
Because we can't get into politics here, I'll just say that, in this state, the governor that was in place at the time the compacts were drawn up didn't do our state any favors and the tribes reap much more than us taxpayers. Hope you're doing better in that respect.
Having said that, I should add that I play these places on a regular basis and haven't experienced any negative practices (yet). If it weren't for doing AP, I wouldn't patronize said conditions on a regular basis.

muffdiver

[moo321]

No doubt, this varies, state by state but I presume you are referring to Native American casinos. If so, in my state (and probably others) there are "gaming compacts" drawn up between the tribes and state government that detail things like the percentage of profits the state gets from each different tribe. Beyond that, I've not seen a gaming compact, but I don't believe "one size fits all" (in my state anyway). There must be at least half a dozen different tribes here having compacts and I think each compact has differences. However, not wanting to reveal either of our states, the casinos in mine are not viewed as "public entities" in any way. It's sovereign nation all the way. Tribes furnish security, gaming commission that polices itself (yes, I'm laughing!), NO state benefits like unemployment, workers comp insurance, etc.
Because we can't get into politics here, I'll just say that, in this state, the governor that was in place at the time the compacts were drawn up didn't do our state any favors and the tribes reap much more than us taxpayers. Hope you're doing better in that respect.
Having said that, I should add that I play these places on a regular basis and haven't experienced any negative practices (yet). If it weren't for doing AP, I wouldn't patronize said conditions on a regular basis.

muffdiver

I was referring more to the non-Nevada casinos, which tend to have higher tax rates, more regulation, limited licenses, etc. Nevada basically lets anyone apply for a license, and has a tax rate that is more in line with other businesses.

I actually think the Indian casinos have the strongest argument for barring skilled players. They are sovereign nations, and the casinos are often used as a way to "right the wrongs of the past" that happened when the US breached treaties with Indian nations. They are forced by the US government and the state to comply with various regulations and taxes.

On the other hand, I believe Indian casinos are held in trust, which may change their legal character and rights.

[Three]

I remember in West VA that bars and restaurants became private clubs in order to practice racial segregation, that is, they did not offer their services to the public, but restricted service to club members. It was in the seventies that I remember this being the case. Whether this is still the case I do not know, but it was long after the civil rights law of the late sixties, even though the intent was obvious.

All they had to do was restrict it to kin. That would include everyone of their race close enough to frequent the establishment. My friend got married in West Virginia. They didn't ask him if he was related to his fiancee on the marriage application. They asked what was his relationship to his fiancee.

There was a Hell's Angels biker group in a bar in W Va in the 1960's. One of the bikers got in a fight and stabbed the local. He waited in the parking lot and shot the biker in the head. The bikers buddies went to Pittsburgh and rounded up about a hundred of his Hell's Angels brethren to take biker justice out on the guy that got hillbilly justice on the biker that pulled a knife in a fist fight. The Pa State Police stopped the bikers at the border and told them they couldn't stop them from going into W Va to seek the guy out but they should understand a few things before they go. They were headed to a mountain named after the guys family in a county named after the guys family. All the people they would encounter are armed and are kin to the guy. If they got arrested the policeman would be kin, the judge would be kin, the jury would be kin and the guys they would meet in jail would be kin. They would drive by kin for a long ways to get there and a long ways on the way out on isolated mountain roads. Nobody was going to come and help you and not many if any would be returning. The bikers decided to go back to Pittsburgh rather than enter W Va to get the guy.

[muffdiver]

[QUOTE=moo321;151463]I was referring more to the non-Nevada casinos, which tend to have higher tax rates, more regulation, limited licenses, etc. Nevada basically lets anyone apply for a license, and has a tax rate that is more in line with other businesses.

I actually think the Indian casinos have the strongest argument for barring skilled players. They are sovereign nations, and the casinos are often used as a way to "right the wrongs of the past" that happened when the US breached treaties with Indian nations. They are forced by the US government and the state to comply with various regulations and taxes.

Yeah, everything changes drastically in Native affairs. It's due to the sovereign nation thing and the involvement of federal government (Bureau of Indian Affairs, federal judges, etc.). Again respecting Norm's "no politics" as best I can, the so called wrongs of the past were committed 400 years ago by people and against people that have all been gone for over 300 years. We could make an analogy with reparations for slavery, in that all the people that were wronged, are long gone.
Federal rules and regulation are no doubt uniform for all states and tribes but the state (and local) rules and regulations vary widely, I believe.

[Three]

I know this is okay because it is a historical fact and not political. Hopefully I can keep it inbounds. It was disease that sealed the fate of the the indigenous populations. They had no immunities to the diseases that ran rampant in other areas of the world. Typically with first contact with immigrants to their continents Native Americans would have a 90% mortality rate to foreign diseases before the visitors returned. The beliefs of the Natives would have the remnant leave because they believed something was done wrong to taint the area with evil. They would often spread the diseases wherever they went in advance of contact with alien immigrants from across the ocean. It would not have gone the way it did if there were 10 times the number of Native Americans for the alien immigrants to share the land with. I know there is one policy that would not have been so easily accepted had this not occurred.

There were tales from long in the past of the immigrants' culture that told of how a country was prepared ahead of their ancestors' (of mind if not blood) invasion by an unseen force thought to be disease or plague that killed most of the indigenous populations present when scouts were sent to spy on the land and the diseases prepared the land for the lesser invaders to commit genocide on the remnants of the indigenous population. The parallels to these ancient tales were pointed out and used to sell a policy called Manifest Destiny to justify acts that mirrored the ancient tales of near genocide on that population.