What Count System Do You Use

[BoSox]

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Who is responsible for the proliferation of 6/5 blackjack games throughout the country? The common answer that everyone would say is the greedy casino industry, well that is only a small part of it. In my opinion, the correct answer is Three, and there is around 3500 post to prove my case.

I am 0 for 3 on my vote so some others think I was off tract, it does not matter as I still think differently.


Three, just wrote:

"If the count ever becomes useless to me like I am backed off everywhere I will train teams to rape and pillage those same casinos that I can't play anymore. The casinos will lose far more money than I would ever take from them."


I do not care what anyone else thinks, as I have been reading enough of this type of talk for far, far to long now, isn't it time to put up or shut up. By the way, who in their right mind, is willing to tell the world just how good their system is, and expect people, to believe him without a single word of proof, except maybe a close friend?

[Norm]

Please stop this. No member here is responsible for 6:5 BJ, no matter how silly their statements. Blame the casinos; not members you don't like.

[vhalen]

I only play 2D. Hi-Lo, Ace side count, 1/2 deck estimates, All indices

[Gramazeka]

Super Score for Double decks.

[sociology1116]

Hi-Opt II out-performs Hi-Opt I by a furlong and a half.

How??? You can't prove it.... But I'll prove it. Side count of Aces and sevens for SD,DD using HO1 beats HO2. They designed HO2 for including 7's without side count for HO1 but still it's PE is lower than HO1 with both A,7 Side counts. Don't just bark and run away. Make sense please

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[Freightman]

How??? You can't prove it.... But I'll prove it. Side count of Aces and sevens for SD,DD using HO1 beats HO2. They designed HO2 for including 7's without side count for HO1 but still it's PE is lower than HO1 with both A,7 Side counts. Don't just bark and run away. Make sense please

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Have a peek.
https://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

[sociology1116]

Have a peek.
https://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

Hey that is a comparison of HO1, it's only HO1. Let me tell you normal HO1 has PE of 0.61 BC of 0.88 when it is used with SC of Aces HO1 will be with 0.63 PE and 0.96 BC... If HO1 is used with SC of Aces and 7's it's BC will be 0.97 and PE will be 0.73

You know what let me go deeper..... if you use HO1 with side count of Aces,7's and 8's it works with whopping PE of 0.81 BC of 0.97 and if some crazy dude adds little more SC of Aces,7,8,9 HO1 stands at PE of 0.87 and BC of 0.97 the highest for any better counting system on planet that'season why still it is remembered by people and they say when used properly HO1 beats all level 3 systems other wise people don't even mention it. If you use this the results in casino will be super crazy give it a try.


Don't just think like qfit is a Bible of blackjack. Read "Greatest Blacjack book" by Lance humble. It has got everything about HO1 it's an old and well ignored book just cos many think that HO1 is useless which is totally opposite.

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[moses]

CV Data sims are real great. But you have to keep it real as opposed to always making it great. Otherwise, you will be the subject of forum mindless bullshit while watching your dollars float away at the table and being introduced to the exit signs.

The main problem with the count debate is there is no end. There cannot possibly be an end without a beginning. The answer is within each individual. But it's not difficult with a step by step process.

Are you a thinker?

A. Skipper's racquet costs $2 less than Pooch's racquet? What is the cost?

B. Pooch's racquet costs $3 plus ½ the cost of Callie's racquet. What is the cost?
C. Callie's racquet costs $2 more than Holly's racquet. What is the cost?
D. Holly's racquet costs $6

Your ability to quickly solve these equations may well speak to your blackjack counting ability. There is nothing wrong with Hi Lo. The wrong is to discourage those capable of more by knowing the SCORE. Especially, with the tools available from Norm.

The SCORE from a simulation is real great. However, the mission is to keep it “real” instead of great. A great SCORE reflects a game of cards played by people. Remember you are playing a game of people with cards. There is no greater tool to compare tag values than CV Data. So, rather than start from one and working your way up? Consider starting at the topand working your way back to your comfort level.

Wong Halves offers the most streamlined approach because you only have to remember one number. If you can remember two, then Perfect Insurance is second in line. Now, you are working with a 994 BC, 565 PE and 1000 IC. In worst case scenario, if your lose the 2nd count, your IC is still 725. It may be possible to adjust the tag values to get a higher SCORE. But consider this your starting point as opposed to the end result. Most will tag variations will run about the same in a sim. But sometimes there is that one that stands out by 10%. A streamlined approach without the bottleneck is the way to the most efficient structure to YOUR game.

Good engineers understand complex equations. Great engineers make complex equations simple again.
Stanford Wong is the epitome of this statement with Wong Halves in relation to the effect of removal study by Peter Griffin.
Don S is the epitome of this statement with the Sweet 16 and Fab 4.
Norm is the epitome of the this statement with his software products.

Casino tolerance is the primary consideration because EV is always $0 if you are not allowed to play. So when selecting the data for your sim, do not include an index that will get you kicked out, shuffled up on, or incur wrath from others at the table. Most realize betting strategy increases should not exceed casino tolerance. But few consider the frequency of bet increases will draw attention as well. A 10% frequency should keep you under the radar and still make a pitch game worthwhile. This is
a key barometer when comparing tag values and systems. The beauty in CV Data is it shows you how to win without all the glitter. Don't forget to have fun!

Casino Verite is a mirror as to how you perform at your game. Play the same way you play in a casino.

The long run is about 59% probability after 10 hours or about 1000 hands; 75% probability after 100 hours or 10,000 hands. 94% after 500 hours 50,000 hands. 99% after 1000 hours 100,000 hands.

So, in order for you to see yourself in the mirror, about 10K hands puts you in pretty good shape. A commitment of 10 hours per day and 100 hands per hour is far more prudent than grinding out lessons with your hard earned dollars. Two weeks and you've learned more about yourself and the game than most guys in 6 months of casino play.

[Freightman]

Hey that is a comparison of HO1, it's only HO1. Let me tell you normal HO1 has PE of 0.61 BC of 0.88 when it is used with SC of Aces HO1 will be with 0.63 PE and 0.96 BC... If HO1 is used with SC of Aces and 7's it's BC will be 0.97 and PE will be 0.73

You know what let me go deeper..... if you use HO1 with side count of Aces,7's and 8's it works with whopping PE of 0.81 BC of 0.97 and if some crazy dude adds little more SC of Aces,7,8,9 HO1 stands at PE of 0.87 and BC of 0.97 the highest for any better counting system on planet that'season why still it is remembered by people and they say when used properly HO1 beats all level 3 systems other wise people don't even mention it. If you use this the results in casino will be super crazy give it a try.


Don't just think like qfit is a Bible of blackjack. Read "Greatest Blacjack book" by Lance humble. It has got everything about HO1 it's an old and well ignored book just cos many think that HO1 is useless which is totally opposite.

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Thrilling.

[refinery]

Thrilling.

Kind of, yeah. I hadn't heard that take before.

[Norm]

The table in the book includes ace side-counts: https://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage172.htm

[sociology1116]

The table in the book includes ace side-counts: https://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage172.htm

That's a normal comparison of all counting systems. And the Ace side count there doesn't work for improving PE meaning they are only good for betting cos they already have a value for 7. But side counts are precious when used for Playing efficiency i.e for decision making. That chart isn't that information to choose what system to use exactly for pitch games.

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[Norm]

In that table, the PE in the ASC counts is based on using the ASC for betting. Extremely few people also use multi-parameter tables, which do not provide that large an improvement in today's games. Find a deep penetration single-deck game (which existed when that book was written), and they're great.