Interesting thread. As for multi card 16’s, for counters, stand in positive counts - except when 1 of those 3 or more cards is a 6. But of course, you knew that.Originally Posted by Gronbog
@ Freight: I will, of course, not be offended by any beratement for asking this due to my ignorance on this matter, but getting this correct is more important to me than receiving any scorn or ridicule.
In your quote above, I assume you meant stand in positive running counts. You know what happens when one assumes, so please confirm whether my assumption is correct.
Additionally, I obviously did not know the reference you made regarding holding a 6 in a >2 card 16, so could you please provide a reference or source? I'd like to read the article/book where that is found. If it's Don's BJA, I will be very embarassed for missing it, but (again) getting this correct is more important to me than being embarassed.
Thank you in advance.
Well, from 1 arrogant ass to another, I don’t think the question is silly at all. To clarify, paraphrased and abbreviated, hit 2 card 16 at neg RC, stand 0 or above. In 3 card 16, generally stand, but hitting is correct in a positive count, if one of the 3 cards is a 6. It’s slight.
I recall Don challenging me, which wasn’t difficult, as to why that would be correct. I’ll see if I can find at least 1 of the references alluded to from posts that were months, if not years apart. I doubt that it’s in BJA.
This makes no sense to me at all. These kinds of adjustments apply to basic strategy players because they are accurate off the top of the shoe. I don't know if this one is accurate or not. In the absence of other information, the composition of your hand implies enough about the composition of the remaining cards to warrant a change in strategy.
However, when counting, the composition of the cards which have been dealt and hence of those which remain is represented by the running count. What difference does it make if there is a 6 in your hand vs in some else's hand or even dealt during the previous round? These all represent the same depletion of a 6 from the remaining cards.
Once again. The running count is +10 with 2 decks remaining to play. Do you really believe that the presence of a 6 in your multi card 16 vs T is enough to negate the sizeable advantage of standing over hitting?
I'm certain that you're mistakenly applying a composition dependent basic strategy rule of thumb to card counting.
FOR CONSIDERATION:
The specific cards which brought the RC into positive territory matter because different low cards in your card tag structure impact your 16 differently.
EMBELLISHED EXAMPLE: You're playing at 3rd base with two others players. You're at mid-shoe and the Hi/Lo RC is -2, but you have no idea which specific cards brought it to that. Now you're dealt 10/6 against a 10 and after the other two players finish their hands, the RC is +3. You prepare to wave your hand, but then notice that the other two players each have 6/6/6.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
If their cards were 5/5/5, it would be a no-brainer. But to your 16, those six 6s are very much like six 10s.
There are other considerations over how those 6s affect the dealer's hand and whether the barrage of 6s here suggests there may have been fewer of them initially contributing to the current RC. But with all RCs of -1 to +1, I personally look for 4s, 5s, 6s and 7s (Wong Halves)) on the board, then lean my decision with 16 against a 10 accordingly.
COMMENTS WELCOME.
I disagree. For counters, the composition of the hand is irrelevant. Would you really hit a multi card 16 vs T at a positive count because contains a 6? This sounds like composition dependent basic strategy which is only weakly correlated to counting.
Straight from Don. It would be a very negligible alley, but it’s there. There’s a couple of references
Buried here - not sure I can find them. He can certainly advise if im right or wrong.
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