card counting coaching

[Three]

That is why a 300rph does not happen all the time. In my case, only once per ten years.

I don't think I have ever seen it but an estimate of hands/hour would be an extreme guess. The fastest i have seen were dealing accumulation rounds in BJ tournaments open to anyone that walked into the casino. But since hands/hour includes shuffling and the countermeasures taken to ensure against ST or edge sorting even when a shuffling machine is used and you can't touch the cards. I typically see 2 minutes of plugging from the bottoms, then the tops and then the unused cards. This is followed by cutting the cards into 4 or more stacks and rotating some stacks before restacking them and placing them in the shuffle machine. Then the new decks comes up and it is presented to a player to cut the cards. The player is indecisive and takes a while to place it. Then the dealer sticks the cut card in 3 or 4 times before being happy with the cutoff. Then you get misdeals (the faster the dealer the more misdeals) which cause player options that take a few minutes just to get the Floor over and another couple minutes to explain and implement the options. Then the red light keeps coming on and they won't deal the cards until they are sure the red light doesn't indicate a card from this shoe's card color is still in the ASM. Often the ASM breaks and they are hand shuffling which adds more time so to get 300 rounds an hour you need a dealer dealing almost twice that speed per shoe. That is just not possible.

The last quick dealer I had was made to slow down by the ploppies. They demanded he slow down so he would deal just as fast and very slowly give them their cards. I got a fast one heads up recently and finished the deep cut 8 deck shoe in around 8 minutes. At 8.1 cards per round and 7.5 decks of 8 played that makes 48 rounds in 8 minutes or 6 rounds per minute or 12 seconds a round for each shoe. Add 3 minutes to get the cards for the next shoe ready to deal and that is 11 minutes per shoe. There were 4 player options in the hour which added 2 more minutes per shoe played. So now we are at 13 minutes per shoe . I will ignore the ploppy jumping in for 3 hands which slowed the game to a crawl. So now we are down to 3.69 rounds/minute or 221 rounds per hour. Of course I was playing 2 hands per round so if you like to make misleading statistics you could call it 442 hands per hour rather than 221 rounds per hour.

[Three]

What's wrong with that?

Nothing is wrong with it but you will find in life what you get out of something is proportional to how much well thought out effort you put into it.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

CLOSE this silly thread.

[Tarzan]

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you get what you want but you don't always get what you want. If you want it all and you want it now and you don't want to have to do anything for it, you may not get everything you wanted. Who cares if people would rather stay simpler, Tthree? Even if you don't see it as practical and I don't see it as practical, that does not mean it doesn't work for the vast majority of people, that whole "one size shoe does not fit all people" concept that Norm has brought up. It's just a matter of paying the vig is all. There is a price to be paid in terms of a small percentage quite simply put that is easily enough made up with an increased spread or a few more hours at the table, the other variables that would amount to achieving the same in terms of SCORE.

Playing alongside a Hi-Lo player, at times in certain deck compositions we would have much different TC's, I would see every single playing error with them using full indices to the letter. I would notice all the times they under bet or over bet and then proceed to make the wrong playing decision on top of that all in accordance with proper Hi-Lo strategy due to some anomaly in the deck composition... there obviously is a disparity but it's nothing they can't make up with more time or more money, the other variables. To each their own and it's a pay as you go world, just a matter of paying the vig but maybe I'm a stingy old prick that doesn't like to pay the vig!

[Three]

There is a price to be paid in terms of a small percentage quite simply put that is easily enough made up with an increased spread or a few more hours at the table, the other variables that would amount to achieving the same in terms of SCORE.

I agree with you but there is costs more than what is suggested. You need to expose yourself more with simple counts. Playing optimally a simple counter does everything the catchers are looking for when they think they would do it. So the same amount of time brings much more exposure. Then a simple counter must spread more to get the same EV. This is another heat draw. Then on top of that they want to play more after having 2 things that make the same length of exposure much more costly. So you play a system that makes your plays and bets correlate 100%, you play it at a threatening spread rather than a modest spread that doesn't concern the suits and you so this for a longer amount of time. You will be getting tapped so much your shoulder will get sore and that cost is bigger than anything. So now you must use costly cover play so you don't get a sore shoulder so fast. I just don't see the benefits of doing that. But I don't care what others do. I probably shouldn't let Meistro bait me with his misinformed and dated statements.

[Norm]

I think this is very much an exaggeration. There is gain with more complex counts. But, not enough to make a major difference in cover. For that, you would need shuffle tracking or some other technique. And, they also have their own cover concerns.

[Three]

I just want to get in and out and make my win tolerance goal as quick as possible. If that is what you want there is a clear choice.

[BoSox]

You need to expose yourself more with simple counts.

So the same amount of time brings much more exposure.

First not all simple system players are lazy, and any commonality that two players using the same system ends right there. As you already know some people play the system, and some people play the system, as in night and day differences. Both of the above quotes you made do not apply to me.

Then a simple counter must spread more to get the same EV.

Why do you lump everyone together in the way people use their system.

So you play a system that makes your plays and bets correlate 100%, you play it at a threatening spread rather than a modest spread that doesn't concern the suits and you so this for a longer amount of time.

I have explained my style of play, on a number of occasions on this board and you already know I do not play that way. I will admit I have had my share of taps on the shoulder.

[Norm]

These "my system is better than your system" posts are boring everyone to tears.

[Ryemo]

These "my system is better than your system" posts are boring everyone to tears.

That's an understatement. I think there's so many other aspects to becoming a successful card counter, yet THIS is always the topic we seem to circle back to every time.

[Freightman]

That's an understatement. I think there's so many other aspects to becoming a successful card counter, yet THIS is always the topic we seem to circle back to every time.

Agreed - though there us humor value in the who's got the longer and wider schmekel debate.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

See: post #110

[Norm]

Agreed - though there us humor value in the who's got the longer and wider schmekel debate.

Well, one could argue about which is better: wider, longer, or more complex. I'm working on a chip that you can install to seek and satisfy.