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    i have a similar question too. one of the online bj i play here in asia, they allow you to hit or double down after split aces but not re-split them. should i double down when the dealer has 4, 5, 6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwjman View Post
    i have a similar question too. one of the online bj i play here in asia, they allow you to hit or double down after split aces but not re-split them. should i double down when the dealer has 4, 5, 6?
    When resplitting is not allowed, Double A-A vs 6 (if allowed) if:
    (s17) number of decks <= 12
    (h17) always
    otherwise hit

    When resplitting is not allowed, Double A-A vs 5 (if allowed) if:
    (s17) decks <= 2
    (h17) decks <= 2
    otherwise hit

    hit A-A vs 4 if resplit is not allowed, do not double

    k_c

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    When resplitting is not allowed, Double A-A vs 6 (if allowed) if:
    (s17) number of decks <= 12
    (h17) always
    otherwise hit

    Correct. By example for 6 decks, I got:

    s (17)
    A, A vs 6

    db = 0.190709
    hit = 0.187974

    h (17)
    db = = 0.206312
    hit = 0.189536

    Here the dealer is somehow penalized for the “greed” of hitting soft seventeen, with the player increasing the expectations of both actions.

    When resplitting is not allowed, Double A-A vs 5 (if allowed) if:
    (s17) decks <= 2
    (h17) decks <= 2
    otherwise hit

    Agree. Very close but correct.

    For 2 decks and s (17):

    db =0.170637
    hit = 0,169241

    hit A-A vs 4 if resplit is not allowed, do not double

    Again, for 6 decks and s (17):

    db = 0.071156
    hit = 0.129004

    Here doubling looks but foolish (with BS only).

    My two cents.

    Zenfighter

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwjman View Post
    have a similar question too. one of the online bj i play here in asia, they allow you to hit or double down after split aces but not re-split them. should i double down when the dealer has 4, 5, 6?
    You don't state the rules, but for using 6D S17 I get the following indices to double A,A when you can't split:

    A,A vs 3: +9
    A,A vs 4: +4
    A,A vs 5: +1
    A,A vs 6: 0

    For 6D H17, I get

    A,A vs 3: +8
    A,A vs 4: +4
    A,A vs 5: +1
    A,A vs 6: 0

    These data were extracted from the sims I ran to generate indices for the upcoming book from Don and I. Too be fair, though, these specific plays are not discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    These data were extracted from the sims I ran to generate indices for the upcoming book from Don and I. Too be fair, though, these specific plays are not discussed.
    Gronbog and Don, when do you expect your new book to be available? Will there be a kindle version of the book?

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