Hi-Opt II Side Counts (old post)

[Ustonzen]

Haahahaha stop being so canadian

[Gramazeka]

Lima count?

"Its a shame for the censorship to taint Arnold (The Bishop)'s legacy.

Regarding KISS-3 and other censor-foolish knaves, John May (Yahoo Card Counters Cafe) sent me his manuscript for Get The Edge in BJ back in late '99, to edit. I recommended that he forego the 'Lima Count' in that book and instead perform a reconstitution of Arnold's Red7 and call it 'Black Dueces'.

May ignored my advice and now the only things of Blackjack less memorable than Get The Edge at BJ and the Lima Count is the Yahoo CCCafe which had a grand total of 16 posts last month. zg"

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...50/#post-40492

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...s/topics/14388

[BoSox]

John May, the count's architect, never intended on publishing the count's particulars. And never finished researching it. Any indices for the count were developed by someone else as he stopped before getting that far.

John May, another veteran poster from the past who posted under an alias for many years on Wong's site, who could analyze any new casino game offering for flaws and could exploit it if it did. He was an early pioneer of advantage play who I believe is still doing his thing across the pond. In my mind, he is a very knowledgeable and intelligent person. ZenMaster_ Flash what was your opinion of him?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

ZenMaster_ Flash what was your opinion of him?

I never met him or corresponded with him.
I have all English Language books on blackjack
so I have his book, "Get The Edge in Blackjack"
from 2001.

That book is almost interesting because John May
writes well. The book is a good introduction to
blackjack, but little else. Of course, the forward
by Frank Sclobete is to be passed by, as 'Scob'"
is a bad character, hustling poor BJ systems, and
absurdly bad craps playing suggestions.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Interesting that he drops the 2 and adds the 7

Did you think that there is a significant difference
in E.O.R. between these two (2) ranks? There isn't.

[moses]

According to sims, single deck straight up, the SCORE reflects a siginifcant difference in most tag values between the 2 and 7. Giving the 7 a higher value than 2 offers far better results. Same as giving the 8 a -.5 vs 0. Drastic reduction at -.5. The quantity of indices have little to do with the consistency of results. Pen makes a difference, bet spread and frequency, and game rules present a higher fluctuation.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I was referring to the effect upon Betting Correlation, not Playing Efficiency.

[seriousplayer]

Did you think that there is a significant difference
in E.O.R. between these two (2) ranks? There isn't.

There isn't a significant difference in E.O.R between the 2s and 7s but the 2s are better than the 7s for BC.

[Gramazeka]

For this, there is BRH. https://www.blackjackreview.com/wp/a...s/brh-systems/

[moses]

For this, there is BRH. https://www.blackjackreview.com/wp/a...s/brh-systems/

Thank you for posting this article Mr. Gramazeka. The pitch game has changed a wee bit, perhaps since the time the article was written.

Mr. Harris writes; Counting the ‘9’ as a negative card has a detrimental effect on insurance and hard-12 decisions, while it improves the efficiency of hard 14, 15 and 16 decisions. After constructing a playing efficiency calculator along the lines described in Griffin, it was simple to see that while the net effect on the hard standing decisions was neutral, the gain in insurance by not counting the nine was substantial. This effect became even more pronounced when a non-flat betting spread is used.

True: However, the root of today's game, with rules changes, pen reduction, and spread limitations, fall within those hard 14,15,16 decisions. Therefore, one must change the tag values in Wong Halves for the single and double deck games. Spread limits reduce the importance of Insurance. Prefererential shuffling nearly eliminates the detrimental effect of the 9 for hard 12 decisions. Raising the large bet requirement slightly to correlate with the IC index reduces pit scrutiny and those pesky 12 vs 2,3 situations with more money bet. Dropping the 12vs5,6 and adding 13v4 and 14vs 2,3 takes the pressure off the dealer plus offers a slight increase in SCORE.

AOII gives the 6 a higher tag value. Thus the need to side count the 7 in Hi Opt II is eliminated. As Tarzan pointed out, exchanging the tag of the 3 and the 7 in Wong Halves greatly increases SCORE for pitch games. However, dropping the 2 in Wong Halves and tag the 7 at 1 provides an even easier count and even better SCORE for single deck. Dropping and/or moving the Ace will improve PE and IC when those situations occur. This procedure is done on your fingers as opposed to in your mind. But it's not as high a necessity item for playing decisions as it is for insurance decisions. Especially with a large bet out.

IF one is going to go to all the trouble of side counts required in HI Opt II, then you may as well learn to column count for pitch games. Then you know exactly what is played and more importantly, exactly still remains. However, neither is of much use without significant pen to seeing the 35th card in single deck and 70th in double deck.

Mr. G this serves primarily as notes to myself and anyone who cares to read. Your input is welcomed and one which I place a high value.