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    Oh stop. This is boring. All respected counts are valuable -- and HiLo is one such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    www.qfit.com/book/SuperSCORE.htm.
    For those who failed to SEE this, they are missing the data showing Hi-Opt II's

    superiority to other counts, including its highly significant power-boost over Hi-Lo.

    Tarzan posted today or yesterday, refuting KJ's embarrassingly simplistic falsehood that:

    "The difference is pennies."

    Check this out !

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    Six-Deck SuperScores:

    Mentor UBZII Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-OptII Hi-OptI KISSIII AOII
    130 3.96 3.52 3.77 3.88 4.03 4.05 3.62 3.04 4.22 3.06 3.86 4.01
    129 4.08 3.63 3.87 3.99 4.16 4.17 3.73 3.15 4.35 3.16 3.97 4.15
    128 4.22 3.75 3.99 4.1 4.28 4.29 3.84 3.25 4.45 3.26 4.09 4.27
    127 4.34 3.84 4.1 4.21 4.42 4.42 3.94 3.36 4.58 3.35 4.19 4.39
    126 4.45 3.94 4.22 4.34 4.54 4.54 4.05 3.47 4.71 3.46 4.3 4.51
    125 4.58 4.08 4.34 4.45 4.68 4.64 4.15 3.58 4.84 3.55 4.42 4.63
    124 4.72 4.21 4.46 4.56 4.81 4.76 4.26 3.69 4.96 3.65 4.54 4.74
    123 4.83 4.32 4.58 4.68 4.94 4.89 4.36 3.79 5.07 3.74 4.65 4.87
    122 4.96 4.45 4.7 4.81 5.07 5 4.46 3.89 5.21 3.84 4.77 4.99
    121 5.08 4.56 4.81 4.93 5.2 5.13 4.58 4 5.33 3.94 4.89 5.11
    120 5.2 4.69 4.92 5.07 5.34 5.26 4.69 4.12 5.46 4.03 5.01 5.24
    119 5.33 4.84 5.05 5.21 5.46 5.37 4.79 4.24 5.6 4.14 5.15 5.35
    118 5.46 4.97 5.18 5.34 5.63 5.5 4.93 4.35 5.74 4.24 5.28 5.49
    117 5.59 5.1 5.33 5.49 5.78 5.65 5.07 4.49 5.89 4.37 5.4 5.63
    116 5.73 5.24 5.47 5.63 5.93 5.79 5.21 4.63 6.03 4.48 5.54 5.77
    115 5.88 5.4 5.63 5.79 6.11 5.91 5.36 4.77 6.18 4.6 5.69 5.91
    114 6.04 5.54 5.79 5.94 6.27 6.07 5.49 4.91 6.34 4.74 5.82 6.08
    113 6.18 5.69 5.93 6.1 6.46 6.24 5.64 5.06 6.51 4.87 5.98 6.23
    112 6.32 5.84 6.08 6.27 6.62 6.41 5.8 5.21 6.68 5.01 6.14 6.37
    111 6.48 5.98 6.22 6.43 6.77 6.57 5.94 5.35 6.85 5.14 6.29 6.53
    110 6.63 6.12 6.4 6.6 6.94 6.72 6.08 5.48 7.03 5.26 6.44 6.71
    109 6.8 6.28 6.56 6.75 7.12 6.89 6.22 5.63 7.18 5.41 6.59 6.87
    108 6.97 6.43 6.71 6.91 7.27 7.05 6.35 5.79 7.38 5.56 6.75 7.05
    107 7.14 6.6 6.88 7.07 7.44 7.21 6.5 5.95 7.56 5.72 6.89 7.21
    106 7.29 6.77 7.05 7.23 7.63 7.38 6.65 6.1 7.74 5.86 7.04 7.39
    105 7.46 6.94 7.23 7.4 7.8 7.54 6.79 6.26 7.93 6.01 7.2 7.57
    104 7.63 7.12 7.43 7.58 8 7.72 6.94 6.44 8.1 6.19 7.37 7.74
    103 7.8 7.29 7.62 7.77 8.21 7.92 7.12 6.58 8.32 6.36 7.54 7.9
    102 7.99 7.48 7.8 7.96 8.41 8.12 7.29 6.74 8.54 6.54 7.72 8.09
    101 8.17 7.67 8.01 8.14 8.61 8.32 7.46 6.92 8.74 6.72 7.9 8.3
    100 8.36 7.86 8.2 8.34 8.82 8.52 7.65 7.1 8.96 6.89 8.08 8.48
    99 8.55 8.07 8.4 8.54 9.03 8.71 7.82 7.29 9.17 7.06 8.25 8.66
    98 8.75 8.29 8.62 8.72 9.23 8.92 8 7.49 9.37 7.22 8.43 8.88
    97 8.95 8.48 8.84 8.95 9.44 9.14 8.2 7.67 9.6 7.41 8.62 9.09
    96 9.14 8.67 9.04 9.15 9.66 9.34 8.38 7.87 9.83 7.6 8.8 9.3
    95 9.34 8.87 9.25 9.35 9.88 9.56 8.57 8.06 10.06 7.77 9.01 9.5
    94 9.53 9.08 9.45 9.55 10.11 9.75 8.78 8.26 10.3 7.97 9.19 9.7
    93 9.73 9.3 9.66 9.76 10.31 9.94 8.97 8.47 10.55 8.18 9.38 9.93
    92 9.93 9.51 9.89 9.97 10.53 10.13 9.18 8.68 10.78 8.38 9.58 10.17
    91 10.16 9.74 10.11 10.2 10.74 10.36 9.38 8.9 11.01 8.61 9.79 10.41
    90 10.39 9.99 10.35 10.44 11 10.58 9.59 9.11 11.27 8.82 9.99 10.65
    89 10.61 10.24 10.6 10.66 11.24 10.81 9.82 9.33 11.53 9.04 10.22 10.87
    88 10.85 10.47 10.86 10.93 11.49 11.06 10.07 9.58 11.79 9.26 10.44 11.14
    87 11.11 10.73 11.13 11.2 11.78 11.33 10.29 9.83 12.09 9.49 10.66 11.42
    86 11.39 10.96 11.39 11.43 12.05 11.59 10.55 10.08 12.36 9.74 10.92 11.67
    85 11.63 11.24 11.64 11.69 12.35 11.85 10.79 10.34 12.63 9.96 11.15 11.93
    84 11.87 11.5 11.88 11.94 12.62 12.08 11.04 10.6 12.88 10.21 11.41 12.2
    83 12.16 11.77 12.15 12.2 12.93 12.35 11.26 10.86 13.16 10.46 11.65 12.5
    82 12.42 12.06 12.43 12.47 13.21 12.62 11.54 11.12 13.46 10.71 11.88 12.77
    81 12.7 12.33 12.71 12.72 13.49 12.89 11.79 11.38 13.76 10.97 12.11 13.06
    80 12.99 12.65 13 12.99 13.79 13.17 12.07 11.65 14.06 11.22 12.37 13.36
    79 13.28 12.92 13.25 13.28 14.1 13.48 12.34 11.93 14.39 11.49 12.62 13.69
    78 13.57 13.22 13.53 13.56 14.42 13.76 12.63 12.21 14.68 11.74 12.89 14.02
    77 13.87 13.52 13.82 13.84 14.77 14.07 12.91 12.53 15.01 12.01 13.16 14.33
    76 14.19 13.83 14.12 14.18 15.13 14.35 13.24 12.84 15.34 12.3 13.46 14.67
    75 14.51 14.14 14.45 14.5 15.46 14.67 13.57 13.16 15.71 12.59 13.76 15.02
    74 14.87 14.43 14.8 14.86 15.82 14.98 13.88 13.49 16.07 12.88 14.07 15.36
    73 15.19 14.77 15.17 15.2 16.2 15.35 14.18 13.82 16.44 13.18 14.37 15.71
    72 15.54 15.15 15.52 15.55 16.57 15.69 14.52 14.16 16.82 13.46 14.67 16.04
    71 15.91 15.5 15.86 15.92 16.97 16.02 14.87 14.5 17.18 13.76 14.98 16.41
    70 16.27 15.84 16.19 16.26 17.34 16.37 15.18 14.85 17.56 14.05 15.3 16.79
    69 16.6 16.18 16.56 16.63 17.74 16.72 15.53 15.2 17.96 14.41 15.64 17.14
    68 16.97 16.6 16.92 17 18.15 17.08 15.87 15.55 18.35 14.76 15.96 17.53
    67 17.33 16.98 17.29 17.37 18.55 17.44 16.21 15.91 18.73 15.1 16.29 17.92
    66 17.72 17.38 17.69 17.72 18.96 17.81 16.59 16.31 19.11 15.47 16.62 18.31
    65 18.1 17.75 18.08 18.1 19.37 18.19 16.98 16.7 19.52 15.82 16.98 18.71
    64 18.48 18.14 18.47 18.47 19.81 18.6 17.35 17.08 19.92 16.2 17.33 19.12
    63 18.87 18.54 18.89 18.88 20.28 19.03 17.75 17.48 20.4 16.61 17.68 19.55
    62 19.3 18.96 19.35 19.3 20.78 19.47 18.16 17.89 20.86 17 18.07 20.02
    61 19.75 19.38 19.82 19.77 21.28 19.95 18.55 18.32 21.35 17.43 18.48 20.49
    60 20.21 19.8 20.29 20.24 21.8 20.4 18.99 18.74 21.83 17.85 18.88 20.97
    59 20.7 20.24 20.78 20.71 22.33 20.85 19.44 19.18 22.32 18.27 19.31 21.47
    58 21.16 20.72 21.24 21.19 22.84 21.33 19.89 19.64 22.83 18.72 19.72 21.96
    57 21.67 21.18 21.75 21.69 23.35 21.84 20.36 20.11 23.37 19.17 20.13 22.47
    56 22.15 21.64 22.27 22.19 23.95 22.38 20.82 20.59 23.88 19.61 20.55 22.99
    55 22.63 22.11 22.83 22.72 24.49 22.9 21.29 21.1 24.46 20.11 20.96 23.51
    54 23.12 22.62 23.36 23.25 25.1 23.46 21.76 21.61 25.06 20.6 21.39 24.04
    53 23.67 23.1 23.9 23.75 25.68 24.01 22.24 22.14 25.64 21.1 21.82 24.63
    52 24.2 23.61 24.41 24.28 26.31 24.57 22.77 22.68 26.24 21.62 22.27 25.2
    51 24.71 24.16 25.01 24.82 26.95 25.12 23.32 23.23 26.88 22.16 22.73 25.79
    50 25.26 24.72 25.6 25.4 27.59 25.69 23.89 23.82 27.52 22.74 23.19 26.39
    49 25.86 25.28 26.18 25.96 28.28 26.28 24.45 24.4 28.15 23.29 23.66 27.02
    48 26.46 25.85 26.82 26.61 28.95 26.88 25.04 25.02 28.79 23.85 24.16 27.66
    47 27.07 26.45 27.49 27.2 29.66 27.5 25.64 25.65 29.5 24.45 24.69 28.32
    46 27.69 27.04 28.16 27.85 30.39 28.17 26.25 26.29 30.17 25.06 25.21 29.01
    45 28.34 27.71 28.87 28.52 31.17 28.82 26.87 26.96 30.91 25.68 25.79 29.73
    44 29 28.37 29.57 29.17 31.93 29.5 27.53 27.65 31.66 26.34 26.32 30.41
    43 29.71 29.05 30.31 29.88 32.74 30.16 28.17 28.33 32.4 26.99 26.9 31.19
    42 30.42 29.72 31.05 30.54 33.54 30.88 28.85 29.05 33.19 27.64 27.5 31.9
    41 31.14 30.41 31.81 31.25 34.35 31.59 29.58 29.79 34.01 28.32 28.1 32.66
    40 31.88 31.13 32.56 31.95 35.23 32.32 30.29 30.54 34.78 29.02 28.73 33.49
    39 32.66 31.85 33.31 32.67 36.08 33.09 31.02 31.33 35.62 29.72 29.35 34.29
    38 33.49 32.63 34.11 33.47 36.99 33.9 31.75 32.12 36.46 30.47 30.01 35.12
    37 34.29 33.41 34.98 34.35 38.01 34.79 32.53 32.95 37.44 31.29 30.66 36.05
    36 35.15 34.22 35.83 35.25 39.04 35.66 33.39 33.82 38.45 32.12 31.35 36.99
    35 36.06 35.05 36.76 36.19 40.12 36.63 34.25 34.69 39.5 33.04 32.04 37.93
    34 37 35.88 37.73 37.15 41.28 37.63 35.22 35.62 40.56 33.92 32.77 38.96
    33 37.96 36.77 38.77 38.15 42.47 38.57 36.19 36.61 41.62 34.89 33.51 40.03
    32 38.96 37.68 39.86 39.15 43.69 39.65 37.19 37.59 42.79 35.91 34.25 41.11
    31 40 38.61 40.95 40.21 44.94 40.73 38.2 38.61 44.01 36.94 35.01 42.28
    30 41.05 39.6 42.1 41.31 46.23 41.81 39.25 39.69 45.21 37.98 35.82 43.47
    29 42.13 40.58 43.32 42.39 47.64 42.93 40.38 40.78 46.46 39.12 36.63 44.66
    28 43.27 41.59 44.52 43.6 49.06 44.11 41.51 41.9 47.74 40.25 37.42 45.95
    27 44.45 42.68 45.78 44.8 50.56 45.37 42.7 43.07 49.12 41.43 38.25 47.21
    26 45.71 43.83 47.09 46.02 52.09 46.66 43.91 44.28 50.59 42.67 39.15 48.51


    Eight-Deck SuperScores
    Mentor UBZ II Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-Opt II Hi-Opt I KISS III AOII
    156 3.58 3 3.14 3.36 3.6 3.59 3.2 2.65 3.65 2.81 3.71 3.65
    155 3.65 3.07 3.2 3.43 3.7 3.68 3.27 2.72 3.72 2.88 3.79 3.71
    154 3.72 3.14 3.27 3.5 3.78 3.73 3.32 2.79 3.8 2.95 3.86 3.78
    153 3.8 3.21 3.34 3.58 3.86 3.81 3.39 2.85 3.89 3.02 3.94 3.85
    152 3.88 3.27 3.43 3.65 3.93 3.88 3.45 2.92 3.97 3.08 4.01 3.95
    151 3.95 3.34 3.51 3.72 4 3.96 3.54 3 4.05 3.15 4.07 4.02
    150 4.03 3.42 3.57 3.8 4.09 4.05 3.61 3.06 4.15 3.2 4.14 4.11
    149 4.11 3.48 3.66 3.89 4.18 4.13 3.69 3.14 4.23 3.28 4.22 4.2
    148 4.18 3.57 3.74 3.96 4.26 4.21 3.75 3.21 4.31 3.35 4.3 4.28
    147 4.27 3.63 3.82 4.04 4.36 4.3 3.82 3.29 4.41 3.42 4.37 4.35
    146 4.35 3.72 3.9 4.13 4.45 4.41 3.89 3.36 4.5 3.49 4.47 4.44
    145 4.44 3.81 3.99 4.21 4.55 4.5 3.97 3.44 4.58 3.56 4.56 4.53
    144 4.52 3.88 4.07 4.3 4.63 4.59 4.04 3.52 4.66 3.64 4.64 4.61
    143 4.6 3.97 4.16 4.38 4.71 4.67 4.11 3.59 4.74 3.73 4.74 4.7
    142 4.67 4.05 4.25 4.47 4.82 4.75 4.18 3.68 4.84 3.8 4.82 4.79
    141 4.77 4.15 4.33 4.57 4.92 4.85 4.26 3.76 4.95 3.88 4.92 4.89
    140 4.84 4.24 4.43 4.67 5 4.96 4.34 3.84 5.05 3.96 5.01 5
    139 4.94 4.34 4.53 4.75 5.12 5.06 4.43 3.93 5.16 4.05 5.08 5.1
    138 5.04 4.43 4.62 4.84 5.22 5.16 4.51 4.02 5.25 4.14 5.18 5.22
    137 5.13 4.52 4.72 4.94 5.33 5.26 4.61 4.12 5.36 4.23 5.27 5.31
    136 5.23 4.61 4.81 5.05 5.41 5.35 4.7 4.21 5.48 4.32 5.37 5.4
    135 5.33 4.71 4.91 5.16 5.52 5.45 4.79 4.3 5.59 4.4 5.46 5.52
    134 5.44 4.81 4.99 5.26 5.62 5.54 4.87 4.4 5.7 4.49 5.56 5.63
    133 5.52 4.9 5.1 5.36 5.74 5.67 4.97 4.51 5.8 4.58 5.66 5.75
    132 5.62 5 5.19 5.44 5.84 5.77 5.07 4.6 5.92 4.67 5.77 5.84
    131 5.72 5.1 5.29 5.53 5.94 5.88 5.19 4.71 6.02 4.78 5.88 5.96
    130 5.81 5.21 5.39 5.61 6.06 5.99 5.29 4.82 6.15 4.89 5.99 6.06
    129 5.91 5.31 5.52 5.7 6.19 6.09 5.39 4.92 6.25 5 6.07 6.17
    128 6.02 5.42 5.61 5.8 6.29 6.2 5.5 5.03 6.36 5.1 6.19 6.27
    127 6.14 5.54 5.7 5.93 6.43 6.33 5.62 5.14 6.5 5.21 6.29 6.37
    126 6.25 5.66 5.82 6.04 6.53 6.43 5.73 5.24 6.63 5.3 6.4 6.48
    125 6.35 5.78 5.95 6.15 6.63 6.55 5.84 5.36 6.76 5.41 6.52 6.6
    124 6.46 5.9 6.07 6.25 6.76 6.65 5.94 5.48 6.88 5.52 6.63 6.73
    123 6.58 6.02 6.19 6.37 6.89 6.79 6.05 5.6 7.02 5.63 6.76 6.88
    122 6.7 6.13 6.31 6.46 7.02 6.93 6.15 5.7 7.14 5.74 6.88 7.01
    121 6.83 6.26 6.42 6.59 7.15 7.06 6.26 5.82 7.25 5.86 7.01 7.16
    120 6.95 6.4 6.55 6.71 7.28 7.2 6.38 5.94 7.4 5.97 7.16 7.3
    119 7.06 6.52 6.68 6.83 7.42 7.32 6.49 6.06 7.55 6.09 7.28 7.45
    118 7.19 6.65 6.81 6.95 7.56 7.46 6.61 6.19 7.67 6.21 7.39 7.59
    117 7.31 6.78 6.94 7.07 7.7 7.59 6.74 6.3 7.83 6.33 7.51 7.72
    116 7.43 6.91 7.07 7.2 7.83 7.72 6.86 6.43 7.97 6.44 7.64 7.87
    115 7.58 7.07 7.2 7.31 7.98 7.87 6.98 6.56 8.1 6.58 7.8 8
    114 7.73 7.21 7.34 7.44 8.12 7.99 7.11 6.69 8.24 6.7 7.94 8.15
    113 7.88 7.34 7.47 7.57 8.28 8.15 7.24 6.82 8.4 6.81 8.09 8.3
    112 8.03 7.48 7.63 7.73 8.43 8.32 7.37 6.94 8.57 6.96 8.24 8.43
    111 8.17 7.62 7.77 7.86 8.59 8.47 7.53 7.08 8.71 7.11 8.4 8.57
    110 8.32 7.76 7.94 8.01 8.75 8.62 7.67 7.22 8.87 7.25 8.55 8.73
    109 8.48 7.89 8.09 8.15 8.92 8.78 7.79 7.38 9.06 7.4 8.7 8.87
    108 8.65 8.03 8.25 8.28 9.09 8.94 7.96 7.54 9.25 7.53 8.84 9.04
    107 8.81 8.18 8.42 8.42 9.26 9.11 8.12 7.69 9.41 7.68 8.98 9.23
    106 8.97 8.36 8.58 8.56 9.43 9.27 8.27 7.85 9.59 7.84 9.15 9.39
    105 9.12 8.51 8.74 8.7 9.62 9.42 8.4 7.98 9.76 7.97 9.3 9.55
    104 9.32 8.66 8.92 8.85 9.78 9.58 8.54 8.15 9.93 8.12 9.46 9.72
    103 9.48 8.83 9.06 9 9.97 9.74 8.69 8.31 10.14 8.27 9.62 9.89
    102 9.65 8.99 9.23 9.17 10.17 9.92 8.86 8.47 10.32 8.43 9.78 10.09
    101 9.82 9.16 9.39 9.3 10.36 10.1 9.03 8.64 10.51 8.6 9.96 10.25
    100 9.99 9.34 9.56 9.48 10.53 10.29 9.21 8.81 10.7 8.77 10.14 10.45
    99 10.18 9.53 9.75 9.66 10.74 10.48 9.39 8.99 10.9 8.93 10.31 10.65
    98 10.36 9.73 9.95 9.85 10.94 10.68 9.57 9.18 11.09 9.11 10.48 10.83
    97 10.57 9.91 10.13 10.04 11.16 10.87 9.72 9.37 11.29 9.27 10.66 11.02
    96 10.77 10.1 10.31 10.2 11.34 11.08 9.91 9.55 11.49 9.43 10.83 11.2
    95 10.97 10.27 10.51 10.38 11.57 11.25 10.1 9.74 11.71 9.61 11.01 11.38
    94 11.16 10.46 10.7 10.56 11.76 11.43 10.26 9.94 11.91 9.8 11.21 11.58
    93 11.37 10.66 10.91 10.74 11.97 11.63 10.46 10.14 12.12 9.97 11.42 11.79
    92 11.57 10.86 11.1 10.92 12.21 11.85 10.65 10.33 12.36 10.15 11.64 11.98
    91 11.76 11.05 11.3 11.12 12.43 12.05 10.83 10.53 12.58 10.35 11.83 12.18
    90 11.98 11.26 11.5 11.32 12.66 12.26 11.05 10.74 12.79 10.53 12.02 12.39
    89 12.19 11.45 11.72 11.51 12.89 12.48 11.29 10.96 13.04 10.73 12.22 12.61
    88 12.42 11.67 11.95 11.72 13.12 12.71 11.5 11.17 13.28 10.91 12.42 12.83
    87 12.64 11.89 12.19 11.93 13.36 12.92 11.7 11.39 13.5 11.11 12.62 13.08
    86 12.85 12.1 12.43 12.15 13.58 13.18 11.92 11.59 13.73 11.33 12.83 13.3
    85 13.07 12.34 12.66 12.38 13.82 13.42 12.13 11.8 13.99 11.52 13.04 13.55
    84 13.3 12.59 12.9 12.6 14.07 13.66 12.35 12.05 14.23 11.77 13.25 13.8
    83 13.56 12.81 13.13 12.81 14.32 13.9 12.57 12.28 14.51 11.99 13.47 14.04
    82 13.8 13.03 13.36 13.03 14.58 14.14 12.79 12.52 14.79 12.2 13.68 14.3
    81 14.05 13.29 13.6 13.24 14.84 14.36 13.03 12.76 15.05 12.43 13.92 14.58
    80 14.31 13.55 13.84 13.48 15.14 14.63 13.27 13 15.33 12.67 14.15 14.84
    79 14.55 13.81 14.11 13.74 15.42 14.9 13.5 13.25 15.61 12.9 14.39 15.09
    78 14.82 14.07 14.36 13.97 15.71 15.16 13.74 13.51 15.91 13.14 14.64 15.37
    77 15.09 14.32 14.65 14.21 16 15.44 13.99 13.76 16.19 13.4 14.88 15.66
    76 15.36 14.62 14.9 14.48 16.29 15.7 14.24 14.03 16.48 13.68 15.12 15.94
    75 15.68 14.88 15.15 14.75 16.59 15.99 14.52 14.28 16.79 13.95 15.36 16.21
    74 15.97 15.13 15.43 15.02 16.89 16.26 14.8 14.57 17.1 14.18 15.61 16.48
    73 16.24 15.4 15.74 15.26 17.19 16.56 15.08 14.85 17.43 14.45 15.89 16.79
    72 16.54 15.68 16.03 15.54 17.53 16.87 15.37 15.15 17.76 14.74 16.14 17.1
    71 16.84 15.95 16.33 15.83 17.85 17.16 15.65 15.46 18.09 15.04 16.4 17.39
    70 17.15 16.25 16.64 16.08 18.17 17.47 15.94 15.75 18.42 15.33 16.68 17.72
    69 17.46 16.56 16.95 16.36 18.53 17.76 16.22 16.06 18.76 15.64 16.94 18.08
    68 17.81 16.84 17.25 16.66 18.87 18.08 16.55 16.36 19.11 15.94 17.2 18.41
    67 18.13 17.16 17.55 16.96 19.22 18.39 16.83 16.68 19.44 16.24 17.51 18.73
    66 18.49 17.47 17.88 17.23 19.62 18.72 17.13 17 19.78 16.53 17.8 19.05
    65 18.83 17.79 18.2 17.53 19.99 19.05 17.45 17.33 20.15 16.83 18.1 19.41
    64 19.17 18.11 18.53 17.84 20.35 19.37 17.76 17.67 20.52 17.15 18.39 19.75
    63 19.52 18.46 18.9 18.2 20.78 19.72 18.1 18.03 20.92 17.49 18.68 20.11
    62 19.89 18.82 19.3 18.53 21.21 20.1 18.46 18.39 21.28 17.84 18.99 20.52
    61 20.27 19.18 19.68 18.86 21.65 20.49 18.8 18.75 21.67 18.2 19.31 20.93
    60 20.63 19.53 20.06 19.19 22.12 20.87 19.17 19.14 22.1 18.57 19.63 21.3
    59 21.03 19.9 20.45 19.54 22.55 21.27 19.53 19.52 22.53 18.94 19.95 21.73
    58 21.45 20.29 20.82 19.9 22.99 21.68 19.94 19.93 22.97 19.34 20.34 22.17
    57 21.89 20.68 21.23 20.27 23.45 22.11 20.35 20.31 23.43 19.73 20.71 22.57
    56 22.32 21.07 21.65 20.65 23.92 22.56 20.76 20.71 23.89 20.11 21.07 22.99
    55 22.74 21.48 22.04 21.04 24.43 22.97 21.17 21.12 24.39 20.51 21.44 23.46
    54 23.19 21.89 22.46 21.41 24.93 23.42 21.59 21.55 24.91 20.94 21.83 23.91
    53 23.67 22.3 22.9 21.83 25.45 23.87 22.01 22 25.42 21.37 22.24 24.4
    52 24.14 22.73 23.35 22.27 25.96 24.35 22.48 22.44 25.93 21.81 22.65 24.87


    Double-Deck SuperScores
    Mentor UBZ II Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-Opt II Hi-Opt I KISS III AOII
    52 17.56 18.42 18.09 17.97 18.6 18.11 16.47 17.08 19.33 16.07 17.7 18.68
    51 17.83 18.73 18.37 18.24 18.9 18.39 16.71 17.35 19.65 16.31 17.97 18.99
    50 18.22 19.08 18.76 18.59 19.29 18.76 17.02 17.65 20.09 16.6 18.26 19.4
    49 18.84 19.75 19.47 19.28 19.97 19.44 17.64 18.27 20.79 17.23 18.91 20.13
    48 19.95 20.87 20.65 20.44 21.19 20.6 18.67 19.35 22.02 18.22 19.97 21.31
    47 21.54 22.55 22.35 22.08 22.92 22.23 20.21 21 23.75 19.69 21.52 22.99
    46 23.51 24.6 24.34 24.04 24.96 24.24 22.04 22.99 25.86 21.53 23.48 25.06
    45 25.57 26.7 26.46 26.16 27.19 26.34 24.03 25.08 28.14 23.48 25.52 27.2
    44 27.49 28.67 28.5 28.07 29.26 28.26 25.88 27.04 30.22 25.33 27.42 29.19
    43 29.06 30.34 30.21 29.74 31.07 29.94 27.44 28.74 31.96 26.94 29.07 30.82
    42 30.23 31.63 31.42 31.01 32.41 31.17 28.58 29.96 33.3 28.06 30.19 32.12
    41 31.11 32.53 32.4 31.83 33.45 32.03 29.44 30.84 34.24 28.87 31.01 33.09
    40 31.82 33.3 33.15 32.63 34.27 32.79 30.13 31.59 35.05 29.6 31.69 33.89
    39 32.69 34.26 34.12 33.57 35.23 33.6 30.93 32.45 36.09 30.45 32.51 34.77
    38 33.96 35.55 35.54 34.97 36.6 34.9 32.14 33.71 37.56 31.65 33.76 36.13
    37 35.8 37.34 37.47 36.84 38.61 36.76 33.8 35.43 39.53 33.33 35.47 37.96
    36 38.14 39.72 39.9 39.26 41.19 39.11 36 37.72 42.01 35.59 37.71 40.32
    35 40.84 42.52 42.76 41.96 44.11 41.8 38.53 40.44 44.98 38.07 40.29 43.13
    34 43.66 45.4 45.7 44.86 47.17 44.63 41.17 43.34 47.98 40.68 42.96 45.95
    33 46.27 48.04 48.35 47.53 50.11 47.32 43.69 46.07 50.83 43.16 45.57 48.73
    32 48.62 50.39 50.71 49.88 52.73 49.64 45.9 48.45 53.35 45.33 47.77 51.14
    31 50.49 52.35 52.64 51.76 54.83 51.55 47.72 50.4 55.44 47.1 49.56 53.19
    30 52.13 53.96 54.36 53.48 56.66 53.17 49.22 52.02 57.33 48.68 51.07 54.91
    29 53.66 55.49 56.08 55.11 58.44 54.73 50.76 53.58 59.17 50.18 52.52 56.57
    28 55.35 57.29 58.05 57 60.5 56.58 52.52 55.37 61.19 51.91 54.15 58.54
    27 57.61 59.63 60.65 59.43 63.19 58.92 54.76 57.71 63.83 54.16 56.27 61.14
    26 60.63 62.59 63.77 62.64 66.52 61.97 57.61 60.65 67.18 57.11 58.99 64.36


    Single-Deck SuperScores
    Mentor UBZ II Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-Opt II Hi-Opt I KISS III AOII
    26 46.85 48.34 49.5 47.95 50.25 47.09 44.06 47.47 51.79 45.71 41.82 49.62
    25 53.76 55.32 56.59 55.04 57.98 54.11 50.75 54.58 59.23 52.61 48.43 56.86
    24 57.52 59.12 60.59 59.03 62.54 58.11 54.57 58.54 63.38 56.47 52.1 60.84
    23 58.6 60.29 61.77 60.24 64.01 59.29 55.72 59.82 64.61 57.58 53.19 62.08
    22 57.83 59.48 61.02 59.47 63.38 58.6 54.95 59.17 63.8 56.76 52.31 61.32
    21 56.23 57.8 59.49 57.85 61.76 57.09 53.33 57.59 62.21 55.07 50.53 59.69
    20 55.65 57.15 59.18 57.35 61.21 56.54 52.64 57.01 61.68 54.42 49.45 59.21
    19 58.46 59.97 62.2 60.1 64.28 59.23 55.05 59.69 65.01 57.16 51.29 62.32
    18 65.87 67.54 70.27 67.57 72.53 66.67 61.97 67.21 73.65 64.57 57.42 70.42
    17 77.9 79.82 83.4 80.12 86.11 78.84 73.58 79.56 87.29 76.79 67.75 83.48
    16 92.48 94.62 98.89 95.17 102.64 93.63 87.77 94.6 103.77 91.45 80.27 99.09
    15 106.49 108.71 113.75 109.79 119.19 107.98 101.31 109.24 119.48 105.75 92.74 114.21
    14 117.48 119.77 125.44 121.29 132.43 119.34 112.2 120.87 131.73 116.91 102.58 126.03
    13 124.22 126.7 132.78 128.55 140.83 126.38 118.83 128.25 139.3 123.83 108.77 133.43

    I apologize FOR THE POOR FORMATTING.

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    Norm, the jury needs a break. Please tell the prosecution and the defense to give all of us a rest. Please!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Sorry Frank. From my viewpoint worth noting in the chart is Hi Opt II flex muscle in the Double Deck game. But other some other strong counts that don't require an Ace side count close the gap considerably in multi deck. Speaking of boring, I've been running sim's all darn day trying to straighten out fact from fiction for my own game.
    Forgetting for a moment hi Lo vs all others debate, I think it's fairly reasonable to say that ace neutral counts perform better than ace reckoned counts on pitch games, primarily due to issues surrounding playing efficiency and lower bet spread. Also that it is far easier to maintain side counts in pitch games. For shoe games, I think it's far easier and effective to use ace reckoned counts on shoe games, the issues here being a larger spread and betting correlation. Tweaking ace reckoned counts with side counts effectively can turn someone into a fierce competitor. Should be noted that ace neutral counts withourpt sude counts are basically useless.

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    Forgetting for a moment hi Lo vs all others debate, I think it's fairly reasonable to say that ace neutral counts perform better than ace reckoned counts on pitch games, primarily due to issues surrounding playing efficiency and lower bet spread. Also that it is far easier to maintain side counts in pitch games. For shoe games, I think it's far easier and effective to use ace reckoned counts on shoe games, the issues here being a larger spread and betting correlation. Tweaking ace reckoned counts with side counts effectively can turn someone into a fierce competitor. Should be noted that ace neutral counts withourpt sude counts are basically useless.
    I should also point out that ace neutral counts with side counts are also formidable machines.

    As an aside, anyone reviewing the tag PE and BC of various cc systems should be reminded that the strengths listed do not incorporate side counts.

    https://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    As an aside, anyone reviewing the tag PE and BC of various cc systems should be reminded that the strengths listed do not incorporate side counts.
    Same table with side counts: https://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage172.htm
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    Good points Freighter. But before Norm puts the kabosh to this thread I'm reminded of the first verse of the 1957 Nat King Cole song, "Many a tear has to fall, but it's all in the sim."
    Always loved Nat King Cole

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    Six-Deck SuperScores:

    Mentor UBZII Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-OptII Hi-OptI KISSIII AOII
    130 3.96 3.52 3.77 3.88 4.03 4.05 3.62 3.04 4.22 3.06 3.86 4.01
    129 4.08 3.63 3.87 3.99 4.16 4.17 3.73 3.15 4.35 3.16 3.97 4.15
    128 4.22 3.75 3.99 4.1 4.28 4.29 3.84 3.25 4.45 3.26 4.09 4.27
    127 4.34 3.84 4.1 4.21 4.42 4.42 3.94 3.36 4.58 3.35 4.19 4.39
    126 4.45 3.94 4.22 4.34 4.54 4.54 4.05 3.47 4.71 3.46 4.3 4.51
    125 4.58 4.08 4.34 4.45 4.68 4.64 4.15 3.58 4.84 3.55 4.42 4.63
    124 4.72 4.21 4.46 4.56 4.81 4.76 4.26 3.69 4.96 3.65 4.54 4.74
    123 4.83 4.32 4.58 4.68 4.94 4.89 4.36 3.79 5.07 3.74 4.65 4.87
    122 4.96 4.45 4.7 4.81 5.07 5 4.46 3.89 5.21 3.84 4.77 4.99
    121 5.08 4.56 4.81 4.93 5.2 5.13 4.58 4 5.33 3.94 4.89 5.11
    120 5.2 4.69 4.92 5.07 5.34 5.26 4.69 4.12 5.46 4.03 5.01 5.24
    119 5.33 4.84 5.05 5.21 5.46 5.37 4.79 4.24 5.6 4.14 5.15 5.35
    118 5.46 4.97 5.18 5.34 5.63 5.5 4.93 4.35 5.74 4.24 5.28 5.49
    117 5.59 5.1 5.33 5.49 5.78 5.65 5.07 4.49 5.89 4.37 5.4 5.63
    116 5.73 5.24 5.47 5.63 5.93 5.79 5.21 4.63 6.03 4.48 5.54 5.77
    115 5.88 5.4 5.63 5.79 6.11 5.91 5.36 4.77 6.18 4.6 5.69 5.91
    114 6.04 5.54 5.79 5.94 6.27 6.07 5.49 4.91 6.34 4.74 5.82 6.08
    113 6.18 5.69 5.93 6.1 6.46 6.24 5.64 5.06 6.51 4.87 5.98 6.23
    112 6.32 5.84 6.08 6.27 6.62 6.41 5.8 5.21 6.68 5.01 6.14 6.37
    111 6.48 5.98 6.22 6.43 6.77 6.57 5.94 5.35 6.85 5.14 6.29 6.53
    110 6.63 6.12 6.4 6.6 6.94 6.72 6.08 5.48 7.03 5.26 6.44 6.71
    109 6.8 6.28 6.56 6.75 7.12 6.89 6.22 5.63 7.18 5.41 6.59 6.87
    108 6.97 6.43 6.71 6.91 7.27 7.05 6.35 5.79 7.38 5.56 6.75 7.05
    107 7.14 6.6 6.88 7.07 7.44 7.21 6.5 5.95 7.56 5.72 6.89 7.21
    106 7.29 6.77 7.05 7.23 7.63 7.38 6.65 6.1 7.74 5.86 7.04 7.39
    105 7.46 6.94 7.23 7.4 7.8 7.54 6.79 6.26 7.93 6.01 7.2 7.57
    104 7.63 7.12 7.43 7.58 8 7.72 6.94 6.44 8.1 6.19 7.37 7.74
    103 7.8 7.29 7.62 7.77 8.21 7.92 7.12 6.58 8.32 6.36 7.54 7.9
    102 7.99 7.48 7.8 7.96 8.41 8.12 7.29 6.74 8.54 6.54 7.72 8.09
    101 8.17 7.67 8.01 8.14 8.61 8.32 7.46 6.92 8.74 6.72 7.9 8.3
    100 8.36 7.86 8.2 8.34 8.82 8.52 7.65 7.1 8.96 6.89 8.08 8.48
    99 8.55 8.07 8.4 8.54 9.03 8.71 7.82 7.29 9.17 7.06 8.25 8.66
    98 8.75 8.29 8.62 8.72 9.23 8.92 8 7.49 9.37 7.22 8.43 8.88
    97 8.95 8.48 8.84 8.95 9.44 9.14 8.2 7.67 9.6 7.41 8.62 9.09
    96 9.14 8.67 9.04 9.15 9.66 9.34 8.38 7.87 9.83 7.6 8.8 9.3
    95 9.34 8.87 9.25 9.35 9.88 9.56 8.57 8.06 10.06 7.77 9.01 9.5
    94 9.53 9.08 9.45 9.55 10.11 9.75 8.78 8.26 10.3 7.97 9.19 9.7
    93 9.73 9.3 9.66 9.76 10.31 9.94 8.97 8.47 10.55 8.18 9.38 9.93
    92 9.93 9.51 9.89 9.97 10.53 10.13 9.18 8.68 10.78 8.38 9.58 10.17
    91 10.16 9.74 10.11 10.2 10.74 10.36 9.38 8.9 11.01 8.61 9.79 10.41
    90 10.39 9.99 10.35 10.44 11 10.58 9.59 9.11 11.27 8.82 9.99 10.65
    89 10.61 10.24 10.6 10.66 11.24 10.81 9.82 9.33 11.53 9.04 10.22 10.87
    88 10.85 10.47 10.86 10.93 11.49 11.06 10.07 9.58 11.79 9.26 10.44 11.14
    87 11.11 10.73 11.13 11.2 11.78 11.33 10.29 9.83 12.09 9.49 10.66 11.42
    86 11.39 10.96 11.39 11.43 12.05 11.59 10.55 10.08 12.36 9.74 10.92 11.67
    85 11.63 11.24 11.64 11.69 12.35 11.85 10.79 10.34 12.63 9.96 11.15 11.93
    84 11.87 11.5 11.88 11.94 12.62 12.08 11.04 10.6 12.88 10.21 11.41 12.2
    83 12.16 11.77 12.15 12.2 12.93 12.35 11.26 10.86 13.16 10.46 11.65 12.5
    82 12.42 12.06 12.43 12.47 13.21 12.62 11.54 11.12 13.46 10.71 11.88 12.77
    81 12.7 12.33 12.71 12.72 13.49 12.89 11.79 11.38 13.76 10.97 12.11 13.06
    80 12.99 12.65 13 12.99 13.79 13.17 12.07 11.65 14.06 11.22 12.37 13.36
    79 13.28 12.92 13.25 13.28 14.1 13.48 12.34 11.93 14.39 11.49 12.62 13.69
    78 13.57 13.22 13.53 13.56 14.42 13.76 12.63 12.21 14.68 11.74 12.89 14.02
    77 13.87 13.52 13.82 13.84 14.77 14.07 12.91 12.53 15.01 12.01 13.16 14.33
    76 14.19 13.83 14.12 14.18 15.13 14.35 13.24 12.84 15.34 12.3 13.46 14.67
    75 14.51 14.14 14.45 14.5 15.46 14.67 13.57 13.16 15.71 12.59 13.76 15.02
    74 14.87 14.43 14.8 14.86 15.82 14.98 13.88 13.49 16.07 12.88 14.07 15.36
    73 15.19 14.77 15.17 15.2 16.2 15.35 14.18 13.82 16.44 13.18 14.37 15.71
    72 15.54 15.15 15.52 15.55 16.57 15.69 14.52 14.16 16.82 13.46 14.67 16.04
    71 15.91 15.5 15.86 15.92 16.97 16.02 14.87 14.5 17.18 13.76 14.98 16.41
    70 16.27 15.84 16.19 16.26 17.34 16.37 15.18 14.85 17.56 14.05 15.3 16.79
    69 16.6 16.18 16.56 16.63 17.74 16.72 15.53 15.2 17.96 14.41 15.64 17.14
    68 16.97 16.6 16.92 17 18.15 17.08 15.87 15.55 18.35 14.76 15.96 17.53
    67 17.33 16.98 17.29 17.37 18.55 17.44 16.21 15.91 18.73 15.1 16.29 17.92
    66 17.72 17.38 17.69 17.72 18.96 17.81 16.59 16.31 19.11 15.47 16.62 18.31
    65 18.1 17.75 18.08 18.1 19.37 18.19 16.98 16.7 19.52 15.82 16.98 18.71
    64 18.48 18.14 18.47 18.47 19.81 18.6 17.35 17.08 19.92 16.2 17.33 19.12
    63 18.87 18.54 18.89 18.88 20.28 19.03 17.75 17.48 20.4 16.61 17.68 19.55
    62 19.3 18.96 19.35 19.3 20.78 19.47 18.16 17.89 20.86 17 18.07 20.02
    61 19.75 19.38 19.82 19.77 21.28 19.95 18.55 18.32 21.35 17.43 18.48 20.49
    60 20.21 19.8 20.29 20.24 21.8 20.4 18.99 18.74 21.83 17.85 18.88 20.97
    59 20.7 20.24 20.78 20.71 22.33 20.85 19.44 19.18 22.32 18.27 19.31 21.47
    58 21.16 20.72 21.24 21.19 22.84 21.33 19.89 19.64 22.83 18.72 19.72 21.96
    57 21.67 21.18 21.75 21.69 23.35 21.84 20.36 20.11 23.37 19.17 20.13 22.47
    56 22.15 21.64 22.27 22.19 23.95 22.38 20.82 20.59 23.88 19.61 20.55 22.99
    55 22.63 22.11 22.83 22.72 24.49 22.9 21.29 21.1 24.46 20.11 20.96 23.51
    54 23.12 22.62 23.36 23.25 25.1 23.46 21.76 21.61 25.06 20.6 21.39 24.04
    53 23.67 23.1 23.9 23.75 25.68 24.01 22.24 22.14 25.64 21.1 21.82 24.63
    52 24.2 23.61 24.41 24.28 26.31 24.57 22.77 22.68 26.24 21.62 22.27 25.2
    51 24.71 24.16 25.01 24.82 26.95 25.12 23.32 23.23 26.88 22.16 22.73 25.79
    50 25.26 24.72 25.6 25.4 27.59 25.69 23.89 23.82 27.52 22.74 23.19 26.39
    49 25.86 25.28 26.18 25.96 28.28 26.28 24.45 24.4 28.15 23.29 23.66 27.02
    48 26.46 25.85 26.82 26.61 28.95 26.88 25.04 25.02 28.79 23.85 24.16 27.66
    47 27.07 26.45 27.49 27.2 29.66 27.5 25.64 25.65 29.5 24.45 24.69 28.32
    46 27.69 27.04 28.16 27.85 30.39 28.17 26.25 26.29 30.17 25.06 25.21 29.01
    45 28.34 27.71 28.87 28.52 31.17 28.82 26.87 26.96 30.91 25.68 25.79 29.73
    44 29 28.37 29.57 29.17 31.93 29.5 27.53 27.65 31.66 26.34 26.32 30.41
    43 29.71 29.05 30.31 29.88 32.74 30.16 28.17 28.33 32.4 26.99 26.9 31.19
    42 30.42 29.72 31.05 30.54 33.54 30.88 28.85 29.05 33.19 27.64 27.5 31.9
    41 31.14 30.41 31.81 31.25 34.35 31.59 29.58 29.79 34.01 28.32 28.1 32.66
    40 31.88 31.13 32.56 31.95 35.23 32.32 30.29 30.54 34.78 29.02 28.73 33.49
    39 32.66 31.85 33.31 32.67 36.08 33.09 31.02 31.33 35.62 29.72 29.35 34.29
    38 33.49 32.63 34.11 33.47 36.99 33.9 31.75 32.12 36.46 30.47 30.01 35.12
    37 34.29 33.41 34.98 34.35 38.01 34.79 32.53 32.95 37.44 31.29 30.66 36.05
    36 35.15 34.22 35.83 35.25 39.04 35.66 33.39 33.82 38.45 32.12 31.35 36.99
    35 36.06 35.05 36.76 36.19 40.12 36.63 34.25 34.69 39.5 33.04 32.04 37.93
    34 37 35.88 37.73 37.15 41.28 37.63 35.22 35.62 40.56 33.92 32.77 38.96
    33 37.96 36.77 38.77 38.15 42.47 38.57 36.19 36.61 41.62 34.89 33.51 40.03
    32 38.96 37.68 39.86 39.15 43.69 39.65 37.19 37.59 42.79 35.91 34.25 41.11
    31 40 38.61 40.95 40.21 44.94 40.73 38.2 38.61 44.01 36.94 35.01 42.28
    30 41.05 39.6 42.1 41.31 46.23 41.81 39.25 39.69 45.21 37.98 35.82 43.47
    29 42.13 40.58 43.32 42.39 47.64 42.93 40.38 40.78 46.46 39.12 36.63 44.66
    28 43.27 41.59 44.52 43.6 49.06 44.11 41.51 41.9 47.74 40.25 37.42 45.95
    27 44.45 42.68 45.78 44.8 50.56 45.37 42.7 43.07 49.12 41.43 38.25 47.21
    26 45.71 43.83 47.09 46.02 52.09 46.66 43.91 44.28 50.59 42.67 39.15 48.51


    Eight-Deck SuperScores
    Mentor UBZ II Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-Opt II Hi-Opt I KISS III AOII
    156 3.58 3 3.14 3.36 3.6 3.59 3.2 2.65 3.65 2.81 3.71 3.65
    155 3.65 3.07 3.2 3.43 3.7 3.68 3.27 2.72 3.72 2.88 3.79 3.71
    154 3.72 3.14 3.27 3.5 3.78 3.73 3.32 2.79 3.8 2.95 3.86 3.78
    153 3.8 3.21 3.34 3.58 3.86 3.81 3.39 2.85 3.89 3.02 3.94 3.85
    152 3.88 3.27 3.43 3.65 3.93 3.88 3.45 2.92 3.97 3.08 4.01 3.95
    151 3.95 3.34 3.51 3.72 4 3.96 3.54 3 4.05 3.15 4.07 4.02
    150 4.03 3.42 3.57 3.8 4.09 4.05 3.61 3.06 4.15 3.2 4.14 4.11
    149 4.11 3.48 3.66 3.89 4.18 4.13 3.69 3.14 4.23 3.28 4.22 4.2
    148 4.18 3.57 3.74 3.96 4.26 4.21 3.75 3.21 4.31 3.35 4.3 4.28
    147 4.27 3.63 3.82 4.04 4.36 4.3 3.82 3.29 4.41 3.42 4.37 4.35
    146 4.35 3.72 3.9 4.13 4.45 4.41 3.89 3.36 4.5 3.49 4.47 4.44
    145 4.44 3.81 3.99 4.21 4.55 4.5 3.97 3.44 4.58 3.56 4.56 4.53
    144 4.52 3.88 4.07 4.3 4.63 4.59 4.04 3.52 4.66 3.64 4.64 4.61
    143 4.6 3.97 4.16 4.38 4.71 4.67 4.11 3.59 4.74 3.73 4.74 4.7
    142 4.67 4.05 4.25 4.47 4.82 4.75 4.18 3.68 4.84 3.8 4.82 4.79
    141 4.77 4.15 4.33 4.57 4.92 4.85 4.26 3.76 4.95 3.88 4.92 4.89
    140 4.84 4.24 4.43 4.67 5 4.96 4.34 3.84 5.05 3.96 5.01 5
    139 4.94 4.34 4.53 4.75 5.12 5.06 4.43 3.93 5.16 4.05 5.08 5.1
    138 5.04 4.43 4.62 4.84 5.22 5.16 4.51 4.02 5.25 4.14 5.18 5.22
    137 5.13 4.52 4.72 4.94 5.33 5.26 4.61 4.12 5.36 4.23 5.27 5.31
    136 5.23 4.61 4.81 5.05 5.41 5.35 4.7 4.21 5.48 4.32 5.37 5.4
    135 5.33 4.71 4.91 5.16 5.52 5.45 4.79 4.3 5.59 4.4 5.46 5.52
    134 5.44 4.81 4.99 5.26 5.62 5.54 4.87 4.4 5.7 4.49 5.56 5.63
    133 5.52 4.9 5.1 5.36 5.74 5.67 4.97 4.51 5.8 4.58 5.66 5.75
    132 5.62 5 5.19 5.44 5.84 5.77 5.07 4.6 5.92 4.67 5.77 5.84
    131 5.72 5.1 5.29 5.53 5.94 5.88 5.19 4.71 6.02 4.78 5.88 5.96
    130 5.81 5.21 5.39 5.61 6.06 5.99 5.29 4.82 6.15 4.89 5.99 6.06
    129 5.91 5.31 5.52 5.7 6.19 6.09 5.39 4.92 6.25 5 6.07 6.17
    128 6.02 5.42 5.61 5.8 6.29 6.2 5.5 5.03 6.36 5.1 6.19 6.27
    127 6.14 5.54 5.7 5.93 6.43 6.33 5.62 5.14 6.5 5.21 6.29 6.37
    126 6.25 5.66 5.82 6.04 6.53 6.43 5.73 5.24 6.63 5.3 6.4 6.48
    125 6.35 5.78 5.95 6.15 6.63 6.55 5.84 5.36 6.76 5.41 6.52 6.6
    124 6.46 5.9 6.07 6.25 6.76 6.65 5.94 5.48 6.88 5.52 6.63 6.73
    123 6.58 6.02 6.19 6.37 6.89 6.79 6.05 5.6 7.02 5.63 6.76 6.88
    122 6.7 6.13 6.31 6.46 7.02 6.93 6.15 5.7 7.14 5.74 6.88 7.01
    121 6.83 6.26 6.42 6.59 7.15 7.06 6.26 5.82 7.25 5.86 7.01 7.16
    120 6.95 6.4 6.55 6.71 7.28 7.2 6.38 5.94 7.4 5.97 7.16 7.3
    119 7.06 6.52 6.68 6.83 7.42 7.32 6.49 6.06 7.55 6.09 7.28 7.45
    118 7.19 6.65 6.81 6.95 7.56 7.46 6.61 6.19 7.67 6.21 7.39 7.59
    117 7.31 6.78 6.94 7.07 7.7 7.59 6.74 6.3 7.83 6.33 7.51 7.72
    116 7.43 6.91 7.07 7.2 7.83 7.72 6.86 6.43 7.97 6.44 7.64 7.87
    115 7.58 7.07 7.2 7.31 7.98 7.87 6.98 6.56 8.1 6.58 7.8 8
    114 7.73 7.21 7.34 7.44 8.12 7.99 7.11 6.69 8.24 6.7 7.94 8.15
    113 7.88 7.34 7.47 7.57 8.28 8.15 7.24 6.82 8.4 6.81 8.09 8.3
    112 8.03 7.48 7.63 7.73 8.43 8.32 7.37 6.94 8.57 6.96 8.24 8.43
    111 8.17 7.62 7.77 7.86 8.59 8.47 7.53 7.08 8.71 7.11 8.4 8.57
    110 8.32 7.76 7.94 8.01 8.75 8.62 7.67 7.22 8.87 7.25 8.55 8.73
    109 8.48 7.89 8.09 8.15 8.92 8.78 7.79 7.38 9.06 7.4 8.7 8.87
    108 8.65 8.03 8.25 8.28 9.09 8.94 7.96 7.54 9.25 7.53 8.84 9.04
    107 8.81 8.18 8.42 8.42 9.26 9.11 8.12 7.69 9.41 7.68 8.98 9.23
    106 8.97 8.36 8.58 8.56 9.43 9.27 8.27 7.85 9.59 7.84 9.15 9.39
    105 9.12 8.51 8.74 8.7 9.62 9.42 8.4 7.98 9.76 7.97 9.3 9.55
    104 9.32 8.66 8.92 8.85 9.78 9.58 8.54 8.15 9.93 8.12 9.46 9.72
    103 9.48 8.83 9.06 9 9.97 9.74 8.69 8.31 10.14 8.27 9.62 9.89
    102 9.65 8.99 9.23 9.17 10.17 9.92 8.86 8.47 10.32 8.43 9.78 10.09
    101 9.82 9.16 9.39 9.3 10.36 10.1 9.03 8.64 10.51 8.6 9.96 10.25
    100 9.99 9.34 9.56 9.48 10.53 10.29 9.21 8.81 10.7 8.77 10.14 10.45
    99 10.18 9.53 9.75 9.66 10.74 10.48 9.39 8.99 10.9 8.93 10.31 10.65
    98 10.36 9.73 9.95 9.85 10.94 10.68 9.57 9.18 11.09 9.11 10.48 10.83
    97 10.57 9.91 10.13 10.04 11.16 10.87 9.72 9.37 11.29 9.27 10.66 11.02
    96 10.77 10.1 10.31 10.2 11.34 11.08 9.91 9.55 11.49 9.43 10.83 11.2
    95 10.97 10.27 10.51 10.38 11.57 11.25 10.1 9.74 11.71 9.61 11.01 11.38
    94 11.16 10.46 10.7 10.56 11.76 11.43 10.26 9.94 11.91 9.8 11.21 11.58
    93 11.37 10.66 10.91 10.74 11.97 11.63 10.46 10.14 12.12 9.97 11.42 11.79
    92 11.57 10.86 11.1 10.92 12.21 11.85 10.65 10.33 12.36 10.15 11.64 11.98
    91 11.76 11.05 11.3 11.12 12.43 12.05 10.83 10.53 12.58 10.35 11.83 12.18
    90 11.98 11.26 11.5 11.32 12.66 12.26 11.05 10.74 12.79 10.53 12.02 12.39
    89 12.19 11.45 11.72 11.51 12.89 12.48 11.29 10.96 13.04 10.73 12.22 12.61
    88 12.42 11.67 11.95 11.72 13.12 12.71 11.5 11.17 13.28 10.91 12.42 12.83
    87 12.64 11.89 12.19 11.93 13.36 12.92 11.7 11.39 13.5 11.11 12.62 13.08
    86 12.85 12.1 12.43 12.15 13.58 13.18 11.92 11.59 13.73 11.33 12.83 13.3
    85 13.07 12.34 12.66 12.38 13.82 13.42 12.13 11.8 13.99 11.52 13.04 13.55
    84 13.3 12.59 12.9 12.6 14.07 13.66 12.35 12.05 14.23 11.77 13.25 13.8
    83 13.56 12.81 13.13 12.81 14.32 13.9 12.57 12.28 14.51 11.99 13.47 14.04
    82 13.8 13.03 13.36 13.03 14.58 14.14 12.79 12.52 14.79 12.2 13.68 14.3
    81 14.05 13.29 13.6 13.24 14.84 14.36 13.03 12.76 15.05 12.43 13.92 14.58
    80 14.31 13.55 13.84 13.48 15.14 14.63 13.27 13 15.33 12.67 14.15 14.84
    79 14.55 13.81 14.11 13.74 15.42 14.9 13.5 13.25 15.61 12.9 14.39 15.09
    78 14.82 14.07 14.36 13.97 15.71 15.16 13.74 13.51 15.91 13.14 14.64 15.37
    77 15.09 14.32 14.65 14.21 16 15.44 13.99 13.76 16.19 13.4 14.88 15.66
    76 15.36 14.62 14.9 14.48 16.29 15.7 14.24 14.03 16.48 13.68 15.12 15.94
    75 15.68 14.88 15.15 14.75 16.59 15.99 14.52 14.28 16.79 13.95 15.36 16.21
    74 15.97 15.13 15.43 15.02 16.89 16.26 14.8 14.57 17.1 14.18 15.61 16.48
    73 16.24 15.4 15.74 15.26 17.19 16.56 15.08 14.85 17.43 14.45 15.89 16.79
    72 16.54 15.68 16.03 15.54 17.53 16.87 15.37 15.15 17.76 14.74 16.14 17.1
    71 16.84 15.95 16.33 15.83 17.85 17.16 15.65 15.46 18.09 15.04 16.4 17.39
    70 17.15 16.25 16.64 16.08 18.17 17.47 15.94 15.75 18.42 15.33 16.68 17.72
    69 17.46 16.56 16.95 16.36 18.53 17.76 16.22 16.06 18.76 15.64 16.94 18.08
    68 17.81 16.84 17.25 16.66 18.87 18.08 16.55 16.36 19.11 15.94 17.2 18.41
    67 18.13 17.16 17.55 16.96 19.22 18.39 16.83 16.68 19.44 16.24 17.51 18.73
    66 18.49 17.47 17.88 17.23 19.62 18.72 17.13 17 19.78 16.53 17.8 19.05
    65 18.83 17.79 18.2 17.53 19.99 19.05 17.45 17.33 20.15 16.83 18.1 19.41
    64 19.17 18.11 18.53 17.84 20.35 19.37 17.76 17.67 20.52 17.15 18.39 19.75
    63 19.52 18.46 18.9 18.2 20.78 19.72 18.1 18.03 20.92 17.49 18.68 20.11
    62 19.89 18.82 19.3 18.53 21.21 20.1 18.46 18.39 21.28 17.84 18.99 20.52
    61 20.27 19.18 19.68 18.86 21.65 20.49 18.8 18.75 21.67 18.2 19.31 20.93
    60 20.63 19.53 20.06 19.19 22.12 20.87 19.17 19.14 22.1 18.57 19.63 21.3
    59 21.03 19.9 20.45 19.54 22.55 21.27 19.53 19.52 22.53 18.94 19.95 21.73
    58 21.45 20.29 20.82 19.9 22.99 21.68 19.94 19.93 22.97 19.34 20.34 22.17
    57 21.89 20.68 21.23 20.27 23.45 22.11 20.35 20.31 23.43 19.73 20.71 22.57
    56 22.32 21.07 21.65 20.65 23.92 22.56 20.76 20.71 23.89 20.11 21.07 22.99
    55 22.74 21.48 22.04 21.04 24.43 22.97 21.17 21.12 24.39 20.51 21.44 23.46
    54 23.19 21.89 22.46 21.41 24.93 23.42 21.59 21.55 24.91 20.94 21.83 23.91
    53 23.67 22.3 22.9 21.83 25.45 23.87 22.01 22 25.42 21.37 22.24 24.4
    52 24.14 22.73 23.35 22.27 25.96 24.35 22.48 22.44 25.93 21.81 22.65 24.87


    Double-Deck SuperScores
    Mentor UBZ II Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-Opt II Hi-Opt I KISS III AOII
    52 17.56 18.42 18.09 17.97 18.6 18.11 16.47 17.08 19.33 16.07 17.7 18.68
    51 17.83 18.73 18.37 18.24 18.9 18.39 16.71 17.35 19.65 16.31 17.97 18.99
    50 18.22 19.08 18.76 18.59 19.29 18.76 17.02 17.65 20.09 16.6 18.26 19.4
    49 18.84 19.75 19.47 19.28 19.97 19.44 17.64 18.27 20.79 17.23 18.91 20.13
    48 19.95 20.87 20.65 20.44 21.19 20.6 18.67 19.35 22.02 18.22 19.97 21.31
    47 21.54 22.55 22.35 22.08 22.92 22.23 20.21 21 23.75 19.69 21.52 22.99
    46 23.51 24.6 24.34 24.04 24.96 24.24 22.04 22.99 25.86 21.53 23.48 25.06
    45 25.57 26.7 26.46 26.16 27.19 26.34 24.03 25.08 28.14 23.48 25.52 27.2
    44 27.49 28.67 28.5 28.07 29.26 28.26 25.88 27.04 30.22 25.33 27.42 29.19
    43 29.06 30.34 30.21 29.74 31.07 29.94 27.44 28.74 31.96 26.94 29.07 30.82
    42 30.23 31.63 31.42 31.01 32.41 31.17 28.58 29.96 33.3 28.06 30.19 32.12
    41 31.11 32.53 32.4 31.83 33.45 32.03 29.44 30.84 34.24 28.87 31.01 33.09
    40 31.82 33.3 33.15 32.63 34.27 32.79 30.13 31.59 35.05 29.6 31.69 33.89
    39 32.69 34.26 34.12 33.57 35.23 33.6 30.93 32.45 36.09 30.45 32.51 34.77
    38 33.96 35.55 35.54 34.97 36.6 34.9 32.14 33.71 37.56 31.65 33.76 36.13
    37 35.8 37.34 37.47 36.84 38.61 36.76 33.8 35.43 39.53 33.33 35.47 37.96
    36 38.14 39.72 39.9 39.26 41.19 39.11 36 37.72 42.01 35.59 37.71 40.32
    35 40.84 42.52 42.76 41.96 44.11 41.8 38.53 40.44 44.98 38.07 40.29 43.13
    34 43.66 45.4 45.7 44.86 47.17 44.63 41.17 43.34 47.98 40.68 42.96 45.95
    33 46.27 48.04 48.35 47.53 50.11 47.32 43.69 46.07 50.83 43.16 45.57 48.73
    32 48.62 50.39 50.71 49.88 52.73 49.64 45.9 48.45 53.35 45.33 47.77 51.14
    31 50.49 52.35 52.64 51.76 54.83 51.55 47.72 50.4 55.44 47.1 49.56 53.19
    30 52.13 53.96 54.36 53.48 56.66 53.17 49.22 52.02 57.33 48.68 51.07 54.91
    29 53.66 55.49 56.08 55.11 58.44 54.73 50.76 53.58 59.17 50.18 52.52 56.57
    28 55.35 57.29 58.05 57 60.5 56.58 52.52 55.37 61.19 51.91 54.15 58.54
    27 57.61 59.63 60.65 59.43 63.19 58.92 54.76 57.71 63.83 54.16 56.27 61.14
    26 60.63 62.59 63.77 62.64 66.52 61.97 57.61 60.65 67.18 57.11 58.99 64.36


    Single-Deck SuperScores
    Mentor UBZ II Zen RPC Halves FELT HiLo REKO Hi-Opt II Hi-Opt I KISS III AOII
    26 46.85 48.34 49.5 47.95 50.25 47.09 44.06 47.47 51.79 45.71 41.82 49.62
    25 53.76 55.32 56.59 55.04 57.98 54.11 50.75 54.58 59.23 52.61 48.43 56.86
    24 57.52 59.12 60.59 59.03 62.54 58.11 54.57 58.54 63.38 56.47 52.1 60.84
    23 58.6 60.29 61.77 60.24 64.01 59.29 55.72 59.82 64.61 57.58 53.19 62.08
    22 57.83 59.48 61.02 59.47 63.38 58.6 54.95 59.17 63.8 56.76 52.31 61.32
    21 56.23 57.8 59.49 57.85 61.76 57.09 53.33 57.59 62.21 55.07 50.53 59.69
    20 55.65 57.15 59.18 57.35 61.21 56.54 52.64 57.01 61.68 54.42 49.45 59.21
    19 58.46 59.97 62.2 60.1 64.28 59.23 55.05 59.69 65.01 57.16 51.29 62.32
    18 65.87 67.54 70.27 67.57 72.53 66.67 61.97 67.21 73.65 64.57 57.42 70.42
    17 77.9 79.82 83.4 80.12 86.11 78.84 73.58 79.56 87.29 76.79 67.75 83.48
    16 92.48 94.62 98.89 95.17 102.64 93.63 87.77 94.6 103.77 91.45 80.27 99.09
    15 106.49 108.71 113.75 109.79 119.19 107.98 101.31 109.24 119.48 105.75 92.74 114.21
    14 117.48 119.77 125.44 121.29 132.43 119.34 112.2 120.87 131.73 116.91 102.58 126.03
    13 124.22 126.7 132.78 128.55 140.83 126.38 118.83 128.25 139.3 123.83 108.77 133.43

    Poor formatting makes chart too difficult to read, but from what I can make out, HO2 leads other counts most of the time when running sims. Hilo is the best for casino play, according to professionals. So what's the difference between an amateur and a pro? An amateur practices until he gets it right - a pro practices until he can't get it wrong. Most of the guys using higher level counts simply are not fast enough with their counts to do stuff like counting 2 tables at once.

  13. #78


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I can guarantee the gain from my system is a lot more than the gain from counting 2 tables.
    I'm no expert, but this seems very hard to believe, at least from an EV standpoint. I very well may be wrong, but my gut instinct tells me otherwise.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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