It occurs to me that ...

[Bigdaddy]

QUOTE=ZenMaster_Flash;190885]The "problem" with V.P. is that the "return" (naturally) includes your hitting a Royal Flush.

As you are actually playing short-term you'll be extremely unlikely to see that Jackpot.

Your V.P. may have a "return" of 99.x % BUT if you stipulate that a Royal Flush will not

be seen, the "return" worsens considerably -- to the point where I'd rather shoot craps.[/QUOTE]

Yes ZMF, your are on point. Ripping off a post from the GC site, the "Chairman" states (nonchalantly):

"Well, yeah...I'm about 250k behind EV for 2016. 6M coin-in and no royal...."

And to this we respond..."holy shit!!!"

[Stealth]

"Well, yeah...I'm about 250k behind EV for 2016. 6M coin-in and no royal...."

And to this we respond..."holy shit!!!"

That is about -4.1% down. As ZMF pointed out, this is about normal when you have not hit the "big one". Royal Flush shows up statistically about every 20,000 rounds. If on a $5 JOB he has in over 240,000 rounds.....with no royal????? Way....way off the SD chart so he must be playing much larger than $5 perhaps $100.

For whatever it is worth, playing this machine game is damn boring!

[BoSox]

QUOTE=ZenMaster_Flash;190885]The "problem" with V.P. is that the "return" (naturally) includes your hitting a Royal Flush.

As you are actually playing short-term you'll be extremely unlikely to see that Jackpot.

Your V.P. may have a "return" of 99.x % BUT if you stipulate that a Royal Flush will not

be seen, the "return" worsens considerably -- to the point where I'd rather shoot craps.

Yes ZMF, your are on point. Ripping off a post from the GC site, the "Chairman" states (nonchalantly):

"Well, yeah...I'm about 250k behind EV for 2016. 6M coin-in and no royal...."

And to this we respond..."holy shit!!!"

Bigdaddy, Let me give you another theory on chairman's post on green chip. ZMF'S above quote is accurate about when a player not hitting a royal worsens the return considerably. However ZMF is using a return for a machine of 99.x % that return percentage may well apply to most top notch video poker players, but does not apply to the Chairman! Simply put there is a lot more going on here. Chairman would not even look at any game paying at a rate of 99.x % return by itself, without something else involved. How do I know this, as I do not personally know Chairman, is because I have been reading his post for almost two decades, and I can assure you he is a true professional Advantage Player.

First he stated the fact as you say nonchalantly because it was just a insignificant true fact. I am sure he was playing to a almost 0 % ror. Plus that 250k EV loss, most likely represented a rather small actual cash investment loss to the player, in that one endeavor. I am sure he also had other things going on.

[Bigdaddy]

Bigdaddy, Let me give you another theory on chairman's post on green chip. ZMF'S above quote is accurate about when a player not hitting a royal worsens the return considerably. However ZMF is using a return for a machine of 99.x % that return percentage may well apply to most top notch video poker players, but does not apply to the Chairman! Simply put there is a lot more going on here. Chairman would not even look at any game paying at a rate of 99.x % return by itself, without something else involved. How do I know this, as I do not personally know Chairman, is because I have been reading his post for almost two decades, and I can assure you he is a true professional Advantage Player.

First he stated the fact as you say nonchalantly because it was just a insignificant true fact. I am sure he was playing to a almost 0 % ror. Plus that 250k EV loss, most likely represented a rather small actual cash investment loss to the player, in that one endeavor. I am sure he also had other things going on.

I hear ya...I'm just fascinated by that level of play.....a true pro....