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    You can't simulate reads. It is like the difference between online poker and live poker. Any poker player knows exactly what I mean. You are reading the pit and bluffing their tests etc. It is different than setting some parameters for the computer to follow. Maybe the fact that I know this and others believe a computer can simulate read peoples reactions is why I haven't been backed off but once in 35 years of playing Blackjack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    You can't simulate reads. It is like the difference between online poker and live poker. Any poker player knows exactly what I mean. You are reading the pit and bluffing their tests etc. It is different than setting some parameters for the computer to follow. Maybe the fact that I know this and others believe a computer can simulate read peoples reactions is why I haven't been backed off but once in 35 years of playing Blackjack.
    I have played high stakes Poker in private games for decades (games with cops gambling their uniform allowances, Mafioso, backrooms in strip clubs, etc.) and have also played a little bit of Blackjack. I don't know why you think that I don't understand what you are saying. It's obvious to everyone here. And, I don't know why you think that computers can't beat online Poker players. Now, how much knowledge do you have of Monte Carlo simulation techniques?

    I have a problem here. There are a few absolutely awful Blackjack simulation programs available, and a lot of people come here saying they are building BJ simulation software that have no concept of beating casino Blackjack. Some people have seen them and think that they somehow represent what can be done. That is a shame. What can be done is vastly beyond your idea of software capability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    And, I don't know why you think that computers can't beat online Poker players.
    That is not what I said. I said the difference between playing online and live is the ability to read your opponent. That is the difference between a sim and a live BJ game. You can read the casino response to your play and adjust. There is nothing to read in a sim as there are no people just like when you play online. There are no people to read only their bets and their time to respond. No tells except maybe the most subtle tells.

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    What can be done is vastly beyond your idea of software capability.
    I understand what can be done but reading human reactions when there is no human doing the reading and no human to read is not the same as actually doing it live. You can make it close but all the art and human ability must be totally lost. That is all I have been trying to say. Any poker players that play both live and online knows exactly what I am talking about unless they are really bad at reading people.
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    All this talk of computers thinking and acting like humans.What's next Ciberdyne?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Any poker players that play both live and online knows exactly what I am talking about unless they are really bad at reading people.
    You do know that you can chat with online Poker players as you play.

    At high-stakes, pro Poker play (championship, not home games), tells are few when you get to the final tables. Computers are better at beating better players.

    Richard Reid, when he retired, decided to give up the simple game of Blackjack and solve Chess. People think of Chess as a purely intellectual game. Chess is a game of intense psychological warfare. A championship game is emotionally exhausting. The top Chess players in the world make heavy use of computers. Indeed, computers have beaten grandmasters. When chess computers relied on vast memory of games and speed, they failed. They started winning against top players when they took into account the emotional aspects. I’m a really crappy Chess player. But, I have won against people with far more expertise by distraction and pressure. Computers can be easily programmed to understand, and overcome, human weaknesses.
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