Marked player's card

**Ryemo** · 08-24-2016, 07:40 AM

Thanks ZMF and Freightman.

**Three** · 08-24-2016, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Ryemo

Zee, you're constantly seeking "black and white" answers, but when it comes to a lot of situations regarding advantage play, I think the correct answer is "It Depends."

Definitely.

Originally Posted by Ryemo

I also see a lot of posters on here that say you should cap you bet spreads at 6:1, 8:1 16:1, etc., etc. I call bullshit on that too and say "It Depends."

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Ryemo

I think there's very important general "rule of thumbs" or guidelines that us advantage players should follow, but when you get down to the nitty gritty, EVERYTHING IS CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

Spot on.

This is the advantage of networking. The way you find the tolerance of a casino is to push the limits until they push back. If they push back you screwed up. If it is a signal it is time to leave you got important info but the limit is probably going to be less when you go back. With networking you benefit from others that got the ax or the hint. There is nothing I hate to see more than someone outing a great game because they screwed up and got backed off. Apparently they think the casino will be hit hard but what happens is the casino fixes its vulnerability and the casino saves money while the APs lose an opportunity. They are killing the opportunity for those that have been successfully milking it and any that would in the future. What would be their best revenge is posting about the tolerance limits when exploiting playing in the casino or better yet networking so your buddies can milk the opportunity with less likelihood of greed causing them to lose the opportunity. The buds will reciprocate at some point and you will hit another gold mine. Some AP's just can't find the advantages when they pop up. They get emotional and screw things up for everyone including themselves.

**Sweaty** · 08-24-2016, 07:51 AM

There is no reason for OP to give up his ID multiple times. If he looks underage, once is understandable. If they're asking for any other reason it's time to go. Offering up his ID is not going to benefit him especially when he mentions other cards are marked=chance of being in OSN. The post of mine you quoted I said not verbatim "it's POSSIBLE he would have remained nameless" had he not given up his ID. I did not, and rarely ever, speak in absolutes, but I guarantee you he was ID'd after he handed his license over multiple times. I feel like I was an unwilling catalyst in a coffee-fueled tangent you were dying to spew this morning. You're welcome.

Edit:In response to #23

**Ryemo** · 08-24-2016, 07:52 AM

Tthree, I agree about the importance of networking. My goal for the last half of this year was to seek out ONLY tolerant stores. I've been traveling a lot lately and I have no interest in playing any sweat shops. With the help of a few AP friends, they've been able to share some amazing insight with me that has allowed me to employ my aggressive style with little to no kickback from the casinos (BO's). I just hope that I can return the favor to them by sharing my experiences as well.

**Three** · 08-24-2016, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Sweaty

There is no reason for OP to give up his ID multiple times. If he looks underage, once is understandable. If they're asking for any other reason it's time to go. Offering up his ID is not going to benefit him especially when he mentions other cards are marked=chance of being in OSN. The post of mine you quoted I said not verbatim "it's POSSIBLE he would have remained nameless" had he not given up his ID. I did not, and rarely ever, speak in absolutes, but I guarantee you he was ID'd after he handed his license over multiple times. I feel like I was an unwilling catalyst in a coffee-fueled tangent you were dying to spew this morning. You're welcome.

Edit:In response to #23

I don't disagree with this. My point was simply that not giving them ID doesn't mean they don't know who you are or have a better way of knowing when you show up than having your name would allow.

**jacktheblack** · 08-24-2016, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

Rental Car ?

You obviously must think that the car rental

company is going to keep your name confidential.

Zen,
I have a trip planned middle october to Foxwoods . I will be renting a car. I will give you the lisance plate and you call the rental company and get my name. So we will be testing your theory. They are not the FBI you know.

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**Three** · 08-24-2016, 10:40 AM

All it takes is one employee of the rental car company being bribed or conned into cooperating.

**Jabberwocky** · 08-24-2016, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

All it takes is one employee of the rental car company being bribed or conned into cooperating.

What? You don't have your mountain bike on top of the car roof?

**Banker** · 08-24-2016, 12:20 PM

I think this car license plate is overblown. In any way, there is a spray that can be sprayed on the plate and it could not be read by the cameras. It reflects the light and thus makes the picture way over exposed to be seen.

**Three** · 08-24-2016, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Banker

I think this car license plate is overblown. In any way, there is a spray that can be sprayed on the plate and it could not be read by the cameras. It reflects the light and thus makes the picture way over exposed to be seen.

Its a film not flash stills.

**Banker** · 08-24-2016, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

Its a film not flash stills.

You may be right. I stand corrected then. This spray is mainly used in traffic stop, which likely to have different cameras.

I still think that getting information on license plates might be easy for police officers but full of all kind of legal and privacy issues for casinos to be regularly involved in.

**Stealth** · 08-24-2016, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by jacktheblack

Rental Car ?

You obviously must think that the car rental

company is going to keep your name confidential.

OK, here is another of the "It Depends" situations. Rental car companies will be much more reluctant to give up your ID than you might think. It adds liability to them that they do not want and they do not have a dog in that hunt!

Be more concerned that the casino photos your car tag when you arrive and put it with you (those damn cameras) when you left (likely backed off playing unrated with big win and declined to provide ID). Now casino security calls the police and ask for a license check which the police provide as a "convenience" in opposition to their policies (and I think the law). Now the casino has the car owners name (maybe a rental company) and will attach it to your OSN, Griffin, Biometrica profile to assist you in achieving you five minutes of fame either now or at your next visit.

This is not a far fetched scenario, there are a large number of car photos associated with a large number of OSN entries.

**Ryemo** · 08-24-2016, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Stealth

OK, here is another of the "It Depends" situations. Rental car companies will be much more reluctant to give up your ID than you might think. It adds liability to them that they do not want and they do not have a dog in that hunt!

Be more concerned that the casino photos your car tag when you arrive and put it with you (those damn cameras) when you left (likely backed off playing unrated with big win and declined to provide ID). Now casino security calls the police and ask for a license check which the police provide as a "convenience" in opposition to their policies (and I think the law). Now the casino has the car owners name (maybe a rental company) and will attach it to your OSN, Griffin, Biometrica profile to assist you in achieving you five minutes of fame either now or at your next visit.

This is not a far fetched scenario, there are a large number of car photos associated with a large number of OSN entries.

Absolutely!

A photo of my license plate is actually attached to my OSN profile. I plan on requesting a new license plate when I go to the DMV soon. It may cost you $100-150 for a new plate, but if it even prevents one back off, that might save you hundreds in +EV. If you wait to change your plates right around the time for a tag renewal, then the difference in cost is actually very minuscule.