I am very pleased that my content has attracted such a large number of views. What can I say about this - read between the lines, turn on your brains, start robbing these pirate schooners called- "Casino".
http://www.casinoboard.ru/index.php?...id=16&&start=0
"Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)
Gramazeka,
Perhaps I am the only one, and forgive me if I am wrong, but I am finding your posts of late to be objectionable. With all due respect, to me, they have a 'slippery,' dishonest feel.
Examples: "Only provable if you yourself admit it," "professional casino cheaters," "robbing pirate schooners."
Aside from giving other, more legitimate advantage plays a bad name, I believe (at least what I understand of the methods you support) them to be underhanded and deceitful.
In my view, the following are good ways to assess whether a strategy passes the honesty test:
1) Is it really possible I could be breaking the law? (If so, don't do it - "When in doubt, don't.") Future 'movement' of your play is likely only going to be in the illegal, not legal, direction.
2) Am I relying on an electronic or mechanical advantage, or am I using something that is usually more subtle - an advantage obtained through brainpower?
3) Do I feel good about myself afterward?
One more thing, and I believe this REALLY won't go over well.You consistently quote Jesus in your posts, but, again, in my view, the content of your posts do not align with Jesus' teachings. (Yes, I do understand Jesus does not condone 'gambling' at all and would probably not even be inclined to debate 'advantage play' vs. gambling.). Please omit "Jesus" and His words from such posts.
Special for you-
"Since the old topics about poker morality and honesty have already been raised, I decided to express my thoughts in the section that was created for this.
What is money game for advantage? In fact, this is a competition between two opponents (sides), each of which has the goal of increasing its material assets. but since only one side can actually have an advantage, as a result, one of them plays in the plus, earning money, and the second, respectively, in the minus, paying for the game of the first. This is the basic principle of the money game for an advantage, everything else is particular. Any participant in the GAME can find himself on any side, regardless of his desire, since in addition to our desires, there are desires of other participants in the GAME that may go against ours. For example, the casino has an advantage over the gambler, the advancer has an advantage over the casino, and the dealer-sharper has an advantage over the advancer, while in each separate bundle both parties are sure of their superiority, but in fact only one of them has an advantage. At the same time, the one who had a real advantage believes that he did the right thing, because his goal is to make money, and the battered one is sure that he was blatantly deceived (they expropriated the expropriator). There is only one basic rule that leads to success in the game of advantage - always strive to be on top. Everything else is particular.
Whenever honesty comes up, it usually comes down to discussing ways to "get on top". For example, the use of brain activity in a casino is considered by many to be a legitimate method, since it does not violate the written laws of the game, and sticking cards is fraud. Or increasing the skill by reading books and analyzing your game is ligative, and peeping at other people's cards is fraud, etc. It is useless to argue on this issue, since everyone considers correct only what is beneficial to him and does not accept what can be used against him, and how many people - so many opinions. My opinion: if you have already got involved in this "business" of dirty money, the sooner you realize that everything is good here, the more chances you have to "be on top"
In this topic, I would like to raise a more general question, in the context of which the method of obtaining an advantage does not matter: The question of the moral side of playing with superiority, when we are sure that we have an advantage over the opponent, because these are the games we are looking for in order to earn. The question is what is earnings by playing - honest work or banal fraud on trust? I am leaning towards the second option.
Please do not consider cases where one side voluntarily and knowingly pays money for the game. This is no longer a game of advantage, but the provision of paid services."
"Let's take a better look at the general case. For me, for example, the phrase "I honestly play " sounds the same as "I don't kill painfully" If a person is a killer, does it matter how he does it. Can his use of more humane methods of murder serve as an excuse for the result of his activities - the deprivation of people's lives. If a person earns by beating others for money, does it matter how he does it? Can his use of some "honest" methods serve as an excuse for the result of his activities - depriving people of money?
Since I consider the very fact of beating people for money against them as a voluntarily dishonest act towards them, I see no reason to discuss the moral side in choosing a way to commit deliberately immoral acts, and even more so to justify your goals by the way to achieve them.
I believe that under beautiful phrases about "fair play" we hide from ourselves our base thoughts "to take other people's money." Of course, few willingly admit that he lives at the expense of others, it is much more pleasant to consider yourself a businessman who earns money by playing."
https://forum.cgm.ru/igra_voobshe/13..._i_morali.html
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Last edited by Gramazeka; 06-09-2022 at 08:04 PM.
"Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)
The really good offers were 1998-2005. By 2008 I recall it was £25 free bet stuff. I still did it then because you could do a £25 freebie in 5 minutes but it became harder and harder when you burned everything out, and then burned it out again on six alts.Originally Posted by jbird79
There is still stuff nowadays but the stuff I am aware of never went public and a lot of it is very high-risk. You have to do full-time research on top of the gambling and (yeuch) the admin.
Fun-fact: I made more than living wage from online bingo in 2014.
Dear, if you don't keep discussions of this level, why are you writing? Just to shake the air? You asked me three questions, and I answered it in its entirety. Don't you want to continue the discussion? Or do you have nothing to say now?Gramazeka,
Perhaps I am the only one, and forgive me if I am wrong, but I am finding your posts of late to be objectionable. With all due respect, to me, they have a 'slippery,' dishonest feel.
Examples: "Only provable if you yourself admit it," "professional casino cheaters," "robbing pirate schooners."
Aside from giving other, more legitimate advantage plays a bad name, I believe (at least what I understand of the methods you support) them to be underhanded and deceitful.
In my view, the following are good ways to assess whether a strategy passes the honesty test:
1) Is it really possible I could be breaking the law? (If so, don't do it - "When in doubt, don't.") Future 'movement' of your play is likely only going to be in the illegal, not legal, direction.
2) Am I relying on an electronic or mechanical advantage, or am I using something that is usually more subtle - an advantage obtained through brainpower?
3) Do I feel good about myself afterward?
One more thing, and I believe this REALLY won't go over well.
Now you will answer my questions - what and where is fair play? What gentlemen? What laws? You will read blackjackinfo, where I pointed out a lot of cases of fraud on the part of the casino...
Last edited by Gramazeka; 06-15-2022 at 06:17 PM.
"Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)
You shouldn't really care about what other people think of you as an AP or indeed, at all. If they don't like it, they can go fuck themselves. Am I honest?
Basically, yes. Is that any of your business? No, not really.
That said this issue the device issue isn't as clear as you imply. There's a grey class of AP I've never seen discussed where you collate data on, say, shuffles and transmit
it to a confederate. The confederate then processes the data with a ton of compute and transmits playing decisions back to you. This doesn't actually break any
laws.
As Gram's example illustrates it is not the transmission that is illegal-it is the use of a device.
Eg memorize card sequences in games with sloppy shuffles. You walk outside while the shoe is being shuffled
and phone a friend transmitting that sequence. Friend inputs data into computer which gives you betting recommendations.
(Note for the pedantic: it is debatable whether this is superior to eyeballing the shuffle-that's a lot of lost information. But you
get the idea.)
This is legal. It is the same legally as using a pc at home to help you figure out sports bets.
The key is to phone a friend outside casino property. Inside it would be illegal.
Eyeballing the shuffle, memorizing card patterns is a valid add on to index play, which is a valuable add on to counting.Note for the pedantic: it is debatable whether this is superior to eyeballing the shuffle-that's a lot of lost information. But you
get the idea.)
Yes, that is not while playing. There is nothing wrong with using computers. Just can't do it while in a casino.
NRS 465.075 Use of device for calculating probabilities.
It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment to use, or possess with the intent to use, any device to assist:
- In projecting the outcome of the game;
- In keeping track of the cards played;
- In analyzing the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or
- In analyzing the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
Archvaldor, wouldn't one not simply need to walk outside the building but walk all the way off of the property (i.e., beyond the casino's parking lots, etc.) which would probably make the plan not feasible?
Last edited by Overkill; 06-18-2022 at 10:11 AM. Reason: clarity
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