wow, it seems getting a player's card is a good choice now.
Hope the FRS doesn't record everyone around the pit when the big money is played. Otherwise, when the BP team revisit the casino, they can see a clear pattern that these specific people show up again.
I tend to agree. I should follow that with the disclaimer that I have far less experience and far fewer hours logged than many of the people here, and I also am a recreational player rather than one who subsists on my blackjack earnings. So, knowing that I would not lose my livelihood, the potential absolute worst (to the point of not quite being realistic) of not being able to set foot in any casino ever again is not of material consequence to me. Sure, I'd miss the games, but my life would go on. That all being the case, and the fact that facial recognition has reached this point, have gone toward my decision to play rated and get rooms, food, comps, etc. At the end of the day, I'm playing for fun, a brain workout, and to take money from the casinos; if they will let me do that and sleep for free, great. If they kick me out, darn. (A funny aside, I've noticed just from my own personal finances, I spend less money on weekends when I go somewhere to hit the tables than when I stay at home; apparently with my lifestyle it's actually cheaper to stay in a casino than at home and hitting pubs, heh). Another item that factored into my decision is the diminished pit heat and ability to spread to multiple hands, etc., giving me wider opportunities at the table for cover and betting.Originally Posted by San Jose Bella
So, I suppose this forum can consider me one case study in development in "how long can a rated, recreational AP last, and to what extent."
I promise to keep you all apprised of developments.I'll be playing in Nevada for the first time quite a bit this summer, so it will be interesting to see how it goes there, with the data that some of the larger stores theoretically already have on me (and that I will bring to the table in the form of my players card). Since they can't _actually_ kick me out in AC, where I usually play, (other than from a comped room, I suppose, which has yet to happen), it should offer some verification of whether I'm still actually under the radar or not.
Let's not forget that most players cards are provided after giving them your drivers license, which they scan. Your photo is readily available. May not be the only way they get your image but it is likely a major one.
As I have said several times the EV you may get from comps is overwhelmed by the lost EV from never playing again in this store, much less the chance that it may effect you at other stores.
Zeebar, continues to tell you how little OSN has affected him, and I am happy for him, but it is very bad advice to be oblivious to this and the many other threats that will come from effective AP play. I am also very aware of various cover techniques that influence this issue and encourage all to pursue and implement those that fit your game and risk level. They can mitigate some of the issues.
But not all. Remember, they are not going to come to you and say, "If you keep moving your bets with the count or presenting a winning game over time we will back you off or worse". They just do it, abrupt and final. You are then required to add more risk to your play at those casinos by risking being recognized, either by management or FRS. Now you have pissed them off and this can result in trespass. Or they won't recognize you and you will get away with it, this time.
I am sure many can structure a number of other sets of conditions that are both more favorable and more penal.
In any case, consider the negative impacts higher that the positive. Or don't and learn by getting burned.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
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