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21forme: Full index table in BJA3?
Don,
Is there a full index table (beyond the I-18) in BJA3. If so, I can't find it and would appreciate you pointing me in the right direction.
TIA!
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Don Schlesinger: No
> Don,
> Is there a full index table (beyond the I-18) in BJA3.
Nope.
> If so, I can't find it and would appreciate you
> pointing me in the right direction.
> TIA!
It's not there, because, well, the whole idea is that, especially in shoe games, the remaining indices are virtually worthless. There is the updated "Catch-22," in chapter 13.
Beyond that, you need simulation software to generate a customized set. Again, for shoes, the extra indices you generate won't be worth a hill of beans. For SD, your mileage may vary, but, then again, you know what I think of SD for serious players, or for non-serious ones, too! :-)
Don
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21forme: Re: No
> Nope.
> It's not there, because, well, the whole idea is that,
> especially in shoe games, the remaining indices are
> virtually worthless. There is the updated
> "Catch-22," in chapter 13.
I understand your reasoning based on frequency of hands, but for instance...
You're at TC +4, have a big bet out and have A,3 v 4. According to Wong's full index table, this is a double at +1. Is there any reason you wouldn't double it, assuming adequate bankroll and RA not being of primary concern?
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Don Schlesinger: Re: No
> I understand your reasoning based on frequency of
> hands, but for instance...
> You're at TC +4, have a big bet out and have A,3 v 4.
> According to Wong's full index table, this is a double
> at +1. Is there any reason you wouldn't double it,
> assuming adequate bankroll and RA not being of primary
> concern?
No, no reason. If you know the index and get the situation, it's fine to make the play. In this case, it would be worth about 2% of your bet to you.
Now, I don't know what a "big bet" is for you, but for purposes of this illustration, let's just call it $100. And, again, I full-well understand that, when the hand is in front of you, and you have the count, that's what you're concerned about. But, humor me for a minute.
You get the hand A,3 v. 4 about once every 1,087 hands. What's more, you now also want the count to be +4 or higher, and that happens about 5.2% of the time. So, together, you get the situation you described above about once every 20,903 hands. Let's call it 20,000.
Suppose you play 200 hours of blackjack a year, which, for some people, is quite a lot. And, you get 100 hands per hour. That's 20,000 hands a year. So, you can expect to be in the situation you describe once a year!! And, if your bet is $100, you stand to make $2 in extra e.v. PER YEAR, knowing this index.
Now, I'm not telling you not to know it. Knowing it will earn you one tip to a valet-parking attendant, once a year.
What I [i]am>/i> saying is, now you know why plays such as these aren't in any book of mine. :-)
Don
P.S. As you know from what I have stated in BJA3, I personally learned over 150 indices for the RPC and still use them to this day. I do so not because I think they're worth a great deal, but simply because, well, ... I can! Had someone come along with an I18 before I learned BJ, I doubt very much if I would have bothered learning all the others.
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21forme: Thanks
> No, no reason. If you know the index and get the
> situation, it's fine to make the play. In this case,
> it would be worth about 2% of your bet to you.
> Now, I don't know what a "big bet" is for
> you, but for purposes of this illustration, let's just
> call it $100. And, again, I full-well understand that,
> when the hand is in front of you, and you have the
> count, that's what you're concerned about. But, humor
> me for a minute.
> You get the hand A,3 v. 4 about once every 1,087
> hands. What's more, you now also want the count to be
> +4 or higher, and that happens about 5.2% of the time.
> So, together, you get the situation you described
> above about once every 20,903 hands. Let's call it
> 20,000.
> Suppose you play 200 hours of blackjack a year, which,
> for some people, is quite a lot. And, you get 100
> hands per hour. That's 20,000 hands a year. So, you
> can expect to be in the situation you describe once a
> year!! And, if your bet is $100, you stand to make $2
> in extra e.v. PER YEAR, knowing this index.
> Now, I'm not telling you not to know it. Knowing it
> will earn you one tip to a valet-parking attendant,
> once a year.
> What I am>/i> saying is, now you know why plays
> such as these aren't in any book of mine. :-)
> Don
> P.S. As you know from what I have stated in BJA3, I
> personally learned over 150 indices for the RPC and
> still use them to this day. I do so not because I
> think they're worth a great deal, but simply because,
> well, ... I can! Had someone come along with an I18
> before I learned BJ, I doubt very much if I would have
> bothered learning all the others.
Thanks Don. Appreciate your input.
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