Gman: True Counting KO

[Gman]

Hi,

Here's a quick question about True counting KO based on some other posts that I've read but I'm still a bit confused.

ok so I change the IRC based on the formula (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6 deck would be -24 instead of -28.. Now I would do a TC just as if I was doing a balanced count right?

However if this is the case say initially 10 low cards were dealt which using the new IRC that would give me a RC of -14 using KO method. Now if I convert to a TC -14/6 I get a negative TC of -2.

But if I was using a balanced counting system and the same scenerio I would be at an RC of +10.Than when I convert to TC +10/6 and I get a TC of +1.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks,
Gman

[Don Schlesinger]

> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula
> (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6
> deck would be -24 instead of -28.

First mistake: IRC is usually -20 for 6 decks, not -28.

> Now I
> would do a TC just as if I was doing a
> balanced count right?

Right.

> However if this is the case say initially 10
> low cards were dealt which using the new IRC
> that would give me a RC of -14 using KO
> method. Now if I convert to a TC -14/6 I get
> a negative TC of -2.

-2.33.

> But if I was using a balanced counting
> system and the same scenerio I would be at
> an RC of +10. Then when I convert to TC +10/6
> and I get a TC of +1.

+1.67, or 4 higher than TKO.

> Am I missing something here?

No, all TKO TCs are four points lower than Hi-Lo TCs.

Don

[Gman]

> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula

> First mistake: IRC is usually -20 for 6
> decks, not -28.

> Right.

> -2.33.

> +1.67, or 4 higher than TKO.

> No, all TKO TCs are four points lower than
> Hi-Lo TCs.

> Don

Hi Don,

Thanks for fixing my mistakes ...

So then if TKO TC's are always 4 below balanced counts, doesn't this defeat the purpose of doing this? Since in reality the actual TC is really as you said +1.67 and not -2.33.

[Don Schlesinger]

> So then if TKO TC's are always 4 below
> balanced counts, doesn't this defeat the
> purpose of doing this? Since in reality the
> actual TC is really as you said +1.67 and
> not -2.33.

Well, TKO's TC won't always be precisely four lower than Hi-Lo's, just usually in that area. K-O counts the 7 and Hi-Lo doesn't, so, obviously, there will be some discrepancies. Hi-Lo TC - 4 = TKO TC isn't really a formula, it's just a guideline. If the two were always in lockstep, there would be no point in having two separate counts.

Don

[JohnAuston]

> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula
> (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6
> deck would be -24 instead of -28.

>>First mistake: IRC is usually -20 for 6 decks, not -28.

No. -24 is the correct IRC for True Counting KO for 6 decks.

> Now I would do a TC just as if I was doing a
> balanced count right?

>>Right.

Right.

> However if this is the case say initially 10
> low cards were dealt which using the new IRC
> that would give me a RC of -14 using KO
> method. Now if I convert to a TC -14/6 I get
> a negative TC of -2.

>>-2.33.

Right.

> But if I was using a balanced counting
> system and the same scenerio I would be at
> an RC of +10. Then when I convert to TC +10/6
> and I get a TC of +1.

>>+1.67, or 4 higher than TKO.

Right.

> Am I missing something here?

>>No, all TKO TCs are four points lower than Hi-Lo TCs.

Right.

BJRM

[Don Schlesinger]

> No. -24 is the correct IRC for True Counting
> KO for 6 decks.

I wasn't correcting the -24 for true counting, as you can see from the rest of my post. I was correcting the -28 for IRC for running count K-O; it should be -20.

Don

[JohnAuston]

> I wasn't correcting the -24 for true
> counting, as you can see from the rest of my
> post. I was correcting the -28 for IRC for
> running count K-O; it should be -20.
> Don

Yes, for KO, I think that is what the book says.

But things can get confusing when folks start to talk of KO and TKO. Here is why I corrected the -20. Look at the poster's first 2 questions, put together:

>> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula
>> (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6
>> deck would be -24 instead of -28.
>> Now I would do a TC just as if I was doing a
>> balanced count right?

The "Now I would do a TC" means, to me, that he is setting up to do TKO, and so his IRC should be -24.

:-)

John