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Gman: True Counting KO
Hi,
Here's a quick question about True counting KO based on some other posts that I've read but I'm still a bit confused.
ok so I change the IRC based on the formula (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6 deck would be -24 instead of -28.. Now I would do a TC just as if I was doing a balanced count right?
However if this is the case say initially 10 low cards were dealt which using the new IRC that would give me a RC of -14 using KO method. Now if I convert to a TC -14/6 I get a negative TC of -2.
But if I was using a balanced counting system and the same scenerio I would be at an RC of +10.Than when I convert to TC +10/6 and I get a TC of +1.
Am I missing something here?
Thanks,
Gman
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Don Schlesinger: Re: True Counting KO
> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula
> (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6
> deck would be -24 instead of -28.
First mistake: IRC is usually -20 for 6 decks, not -28.
> Now I
> would do a TC just as if I was doing a
> balanced count right?
Right.
> However if this is the case say initially 10
> low cards were dealt which using the new IRC
> that would give me a RC of -14 using KO
> method. Now if I convert to a TC -14/6 I get
> a negative TC of -2.
-2.33.
> But if I was using a balanced counting
> system and the same scenerio I would be at
> an RC of +10. Then when I convert to TC +10/6
> and I get a TC of +1.
+1.67, or 4 higher than TKO.
> Am I missing something here?
No, all TKO TCs are four points lower than Hi-Lo TCs.
Don
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Gman: Re: True Counting KO
> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula
> First mistake: IRC is usually -20 for 6
> decks, not -28.
> Right.
> -2.33.
> +1.67, or 4 higher than TKO.
> No, all TKO TCs are four points lower than
> Hi-Lo TCs.
> Don
Hi Don,
Thanks for fixing my mistakes ...
So then if TKO TC's are always 4 below balanced counts, doesn't this defeat the purpose of doing this? Since in reality the actual TC is really as you said +1.67 and not -2.33.
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Don Schlesinger: Re: True Counting KO
> So then if TKO TC's are always 4 below
> balanced counts, doesn't this defeat the
> purpose of doing this? Since in reality the
> actual TC is really as you said +1.67 and
> not -2.33.
Well, TKO's TC won't always be precisely four lower than Hi-Lo's, just usually in that area. K-O counts the 7 and Hi-Lo doesn't, so, obviously, there will be some discrepancies. Hi-Lo TC - 4 = TKO TC isn't really a formula, it's just a guideline. If the two were always in lockstep, there would be no point in having two separate counts.
Don
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JohnAuston: Re: True Counting KO
> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula
> (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6
> deck would be -24 instead of -28.
>>First mistake: IRC is usually -20 for 6 decks, not -28.
No. -24 is the correct IRC for True Counting KO for 6 decks.
> Now I would do a TC just as if I was doing a
> balanced count right?
>>Right.
Right.
> However if this is the case say initially 10
> low cards were dealt which using the new IRC
> that would give me a RC of -14 using KO
> method. Now if I convert to a TC -14/6 I get
> a negative TC of -2.
>>-2.33.
Right.
> But if I was using a balanced counting
> system and the same scenerio I would be at
> an RC of +10. Then when I convert to TC +10/6
> and I get a TC of +1.
>>+1.67, or 4 higher than TKO.
Right.
> Am I missing something here?
>>No, all TKO TCs are four points lower than Hi-Lo TCs.
Right.
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Don Schlesinger: Re: True Counting KO
> No. -24 is the correct IRC for True Counting
> KO for 6 decks.
I wasn't correcting the -24 for true counting, as you can see from the rest of my post. I was correcting the -28 for IRC for running count K-O; it should be -20.
Don
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JohnAuston: Re: True Counting KO
> I wasn't correcting the -24 for true
> counting, as you can see from the rest of my
> post. I was correcting the -28 for IRC for
> running count K-O; it should be -20.
> Don
Yes, for KO, I think that is what the book says.
But things can get confusing when folks start to talk of KO and TKO. Here is why I corrected the -20. Look at the poster's first 2 questions, put together:
>> ok so I change the IRC based on the formula
>> (# of decks)*-4. which in the case of a 6
>> deck would be -24 instead of -28.
>> Now I would do a TC just as if I was doing a
>> balanced count right?
The "Now I would do a TC" means, to me, that he is setting up to do TKO, and so his IRC should be -24.
:-)
John
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