Mr. Ed: Unseen Cards with 2 Deck

[Mr. Ed]

I've never played or seen 2d played before - Are there many instances when there are unseen cards? How do you estimate/account for unseen cards?

[Don Schlesinger]

> I've never played or seen 2d played before -
> Are there many instances when there are
> unseen cards? How do you estimate/account
> for unseen cards?

Not sure what you mean. Original two cards are dealt face down. Hit cards are dealt face up. When a player breaks, the original cards are revealed. When a player stands, the original cards are also revealed, by the dealer, to reckon the hand and make the payoffs, after he completes his own hand.

So, there are no unseen cards. Does this answer your question?

Don

[Parker]

> I've never played or seen 2d played before -
> Are there many instances when there are
> unseen cards? How do you estimate/account
> for unseen cards?

As Don explained, there really are no unseen cards. All the drawn cards (except double downs) are dealt face up. If a player draws and busts, he drops his cards face up in front of his bet. The dealer will make sure that they are plainly displayed (for the "eye") before putting them in the discard tray.

At the end of each round, the dealer turns all the "tucked" cards face up (again, for the "eye") as he/she settles the players bets. So, every card is exposed before it goes in the discard tray.

The only difficulty comes in making a close playing decision when several other players have tucked cards. Here, you simply base it on the cards you have already seen.

Often, the other players will show you their hands -- there is no rule against this. This is especially true when the dealer is showing an ace -- even non-counters know that if nobody has any 10's, insurance might be a good bet. I have played at tables where everyone showed their cards whenever the dealer had an ace upcard.

Also, it is desirable to play with less than a full table, so there are fewer tucked cards. Of course, heads-up is best, and then you see everything!

[Saboteur]

My impression was that he was asking how to estimate the number of cards in the undealt deck for purposes of computing the TC. His assumption is that the double-deck game is hand-held but that the dealer won't cooperate by showing you the size of the remaining stack.

Just a guess. I could be wrong.

[Saboteur]

I just went back and read the original question (which I hadn't read since yesterday).

My response is most likely way off.

[Parker]

> I just went back and read the original
> question (which I hadn't read since
> yesterday).

> My response is most likely way off.

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[Sonny]

> I've never played or seen 2d played before -
> Are there many instances when there are
> unseen cards? How do you estimate/account
> for unseen cards?

If you start playing mid-deck then there will be many unseen cards that have already been played before you sat down. Also, a few casinos burn more than one card off the top of the deck. Just treat the unseen cards as though they were at the bottom of the deck when you calculate your true count.

-Sonny-