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phil: Another ? for KO Players
Do you use the "generic" basic strategy as outlined in the KO book, no matter what type of conditions you're playing under?
Since I'm just a newbie, I figure I'd be playing the lowest minimum tables which seem to be those with multi-deck, H17, and maybe DAS conditions.
Also, are you familiar with the wizard of odds website? Are the BS charts on that site accurate? Cuz I'm thinking that I might as well commit to memory the BS that best fits the conditions I'll be playing.
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Sterling Dave: Re: Another ? for KO Players
> Do you use the "generic" basic
> strategy as outlined in the KO book, no
> matter what type of conditions you're
> playing under?
I am a big fan of KO for the shoe game you will
be playing. Checkout www.bjmath.com and you
will notice accurate strategy tables for specific
conditions and lots of interesting information.
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T-Hopper: A better BS
> Do you use the "generic" basic
> strategy as outlined in the KO book, no
> matter what type of conditions you're
> playing under?
See the link below. The T-H Basic playing strategy is just as simple as the K-O Generic BS, and wins 30% more money for the same level of risk.
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RP: Re: Another ? for KO Players
> Do you use the "generic" basic
> strategy as outlined in the KO book, no
> matter what type of conditions you're
> playing under?
> Since I'm just a newbie, I figure I'd be
> playing the lowest minimum tables which seem
> to be those with multi-deck, H17, and maybe
> DAS conditions.
> Also, are you familiar with the wizard of
> odds website? Are the BS charts on that site
> accurate? Cuz I'm thinking that I might as
> well commit to memory the BS that best fits
> the conditions I'll be playing.
Yes, the BS charts on thewizardofodds.com are accurate. If you are going to be playing games with homogeneous rules, you might as well learn the most appropriate BS, IMHO. There are only three BS decisions that are different for multi-deck H17 and multi-deck S17 (the K-O "generic" BS): 11 vs. A, A/7 vs. 2, and A/8 vs. 6 are all double downs with H17. The DAS changes for multi-deck S17 presented in the footnote in the K-O book are the same for multi-deck H17.
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T-Hopper: Re: Another ? for KO Players
> If you are going to be playing
> games with homogeneous rules, you might as
> well learn the most appropriate BS, IMHO.
I also studied this and found that even full BS is not nearly as powerful as the simpler T-H Basic strategy for a card counter.
> There are only three BS decisions that are
> different for multi-deck H17 and multi-deck
> S17 (the K-O "generic" BS): 11 vs.
> A, A/7 vs. 2, and A/8 vs. 6 are all double
> downs with H17.
If you are counting cards, always double these hands no matter how many decks UNTIL you learn the index numbers. There's no reason to change your BS based on the number of decks.
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RP: T-H BS = CBS
> I also studied this and found that even
> full BS is not nearly as powerful as the
> simpler T-H Basic strategy for a card
> counter.
After looking over T-H BS, I noticed that it is similar to the concept of CBS (Counters BS) advocated by Hal Marcus. It makes perfect sense that a dollar-weighted BS such as T-H BS would outperform traditional BS for counters.
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T-Hopper: Re: T-H BS = CBS
> After looking over T-H BS, I noticed that it
> is similar to the concept of CBS (Counters
> BS) advocated by Hal Marcus. It makes
> perfect sense that a dollar-weighted BS such
> as T-H BS would outperform traditional BS
> for counters.
Have you seen his work? I don't believe he distilled the idea to a single strategy for any number of decks as I have.
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RP: Re: T-H BS = CBS
> Have you seen his work? I don't believe he
> distilled the idea to a single strategy for
> any number of decks as I have.
I think you're right. I believe he advocates creating a specific CBS for each game and spread via simulation. So, I was incorrect to use "T-H BS = CBS" as a subject heading. I only meant that T-H BS is based upon the concept of CBS in that it is a dollar-weighted BS, but, as far as I know, T-H BS is the first CBS that can be used for any number of decks. I'm sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I think it's great that you are providing your breakthrough system for free.
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