From your description, sounds like they've really hit rock bottom. They deserve a spanking!

In the past, you could find 4.5+/6 with LS.

ETF

> Played at Trumps in Gary on Tues and Wed,
> lots of $5 tables, cut 2 to 2.5 decks off of
> 8. No trouble varying bets, even sitting out
> bad shoes.
> Majestic Star, next door, had only $10
> tables, except during the day when three $5
> tables were open but always full.