Originally Posted by
KJ
Ok, Avenger, I don't like how you are 'cherry picking' these numbers to make your point. 'Simulation' guys always seem to do this. I mean earlier you threw out $100K bankroll for making your point about playing a small fraction of kelly. I am fortunate enough that I play to a BR of more than 6 figures these days, but that is recent development in the last couple years. And while there are a few pro players on this site that are at that level, few of the members here are. Most are at some stage of building to get to that point and yes, you probably have to take on more risk at times like that.
Now this latest example is even more bizarre and misleading to me. You are giving two examples of how a player with a $10,000 BR should be handling his BR while playing for a living. A player with a $10,000 bankroll should not be playing for a living via card counting, and if he is, he is basically 'hell-mary'-ing it. He's taking a shot. I have some experience with this as the day I decided to support myself I had a BR of $4300. It's more than a long shot, it's almost impossible. You need to get just about every break in the book. It took me 3 full years to build my $4300 just to 5 figures. And I am talking extremely small expenses, paying half of very nominal rent, eating lots mac & cheese and PB sandwiches, no automobile, no extras. Just barely existing. I don't even want to use the word accomplish, because looking back it wasn't an accomplishment, it was nothing more than dumb luck. But as someone who 'went through' this scenario, you should not even be discussing it as if it were a real possibility, which could encourage anyone to start thinking of supporting themselves with $5000 or even $10,000 BR. If you have such a bankroll, you better frigging live in your parents basement with no expenses or be willing to sleep in your car. OR you better have a years worth living expenses set a side.
Now, one more thing about these latest set of numbers. Can you show me where they came from? I mean are you seriously talking that a player with a $5000 bankroll is making EV of $20 an hour? In what universe is this happening? Maybe it is happening if the player is taking on double digit RoR, but it isn't happening with the kind of RoR that you are always talk about. It isn't happening with the low-limit games with extremely crappy rules that a player with such a BR would be forced to play. It isn't happening with limited number of tables that a player with such a BR would be forced to play. It isn't happening with the overcrowded low-limit tables that the player with such a BR would be forced to play. In short, it isn't happening in this world. The only place it is happening is in your world of computer simulations.
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